Interviews with Hal Ramsey, instructor of the San Quentin State Prison and Bob Blau, East Bay Parks

developed originally by the experimenters down at U. C. L. A. And those of you who want to dig into the subject more thoroughly. I think you can buy a book for a dollar from the University of California at Berkeley and follow the same idea that they're

using over to ST clinton. These will be used in our area somewhere. We'll turn them outside the walls there to the other groundsman, he can use them or we try to get them to go to camps but they'll be put to use somewhere. We've got hundreds

and hundreds and hundreds of these that have been propagated all the time like this. I like that fellow who does your propagation quiet pipe smoking. I think you tell me that you have trouble keeping him out there seven days a week. He's there seven days a

week. He's the last man out at nighttime and he's so interested, enthusiastic insurance revelation to have a man like an african daisy here. I think we've got some of these hybrid azaleas recent nature using our area up in front where we're landscaping. We got all the

nice varieties ever wish to have. I think we got the fiesta and the oranges and the yellows and all the other varieties that come out. It should be a beautiful show, john Milton, newly appointed African Council general would like to see these pictures, the south african

area and you go pretty good roses there behind the wall. You think we have some, I never have enough these claims, everything that we did here. Well now we're inside the classroom. This is Park inside Learning program here will be set up in the morning fellas,

take part in this, they'll take the stuff they can talk on it and I'll try to carry out a little bit further on it. And folks, I've seen some of these papers that these these boys have gone through their examinations. I want to tell you they're

right up to snuff this guy hal wraps them across the knuckles I guess with the roller and teaches them these facts very nicely. I try to stress the importance of knowing these things. They have to know plants before they can work with them and know how

to take care of them. Up to the minute library here of gardening magazines, what's this pack rat story you tell me about that. You have a hard time keeping these things get so interested in these that they want to create their own volumes and everything. And

every time they can get a picture out of a magazine or anything that's related to something. They know they like to have a picture of it. They like to be able to see it in their own books and everything. This is of course the book that

we use for our class of instruction. This is something that had to be created by to hold up my teacher's credential, the University of California says you make your, your book of instructions and this is our entrance as we see the hot house there. And this

says uh the landscaping class of 1960 at san Quentin, that's what it said there. And the those boys are proud of their bed of greenery and landscaping that they contributed during their stay across the bay there. This is in the hothouse. Of course, you can see

the Canadians are different. We have some billions and cattle areas and all the indoor plants that you could think of. Your Philadelphians. Pepperoni about everything that we could. It's a nice young chap that has charge of your greenhouse there. At the beginning of the program, folks,

I said that you could get in and help hal with his work and you can. And it's just this simple hal tells me that he's never seen the actual cell for some of these guys, he says, But they must be real, real pack rats because of

the fact that they're so eager to get a hold of catalogs and old garden books and magazines so that they can study reasonably late. And so we were thinking that maybe you folks out there could kind of help hal and any old garden magazines that you

have magazines or catalogs. You don't even care how old they are. You know, books of any kind that old garden books, anything that we can use. And boy, we use everything, we got some old vintage there and we got the very latest. But it's good to

go back and see the way they did things. All right. Now if we made this story sufficiently clear. You folks can help in this landscaping class by sending those fellows over there who got into trouble. But now I want to know more about guarding. Send those

to hal Ramsey vocational landscaping quarter san Quentin. That's a mouthful. Just send it to you. Okay And believe me it would it would really be thrilling folks if you would take time to clean out those old gardening bins of yours and any of the old sunsets

and better homes and gardens and the other magazines or any of those books that you'd like to share. I know that they'll really go to good use over there at san Quentin. Yeah. Well now I'd like to get some some advice here from you while you're

on the program today hal you're telling me a new stunt about getting rid of gophers. Well, I heard this just recently, this castro pumas that they have on the market now, apparently the golf courses, cemeteries where they have these large lawn areas are using it a

great deal as a fertilizer and they find that it repels the gophers at the same time. So they're getting too full purposes out of it and it's something we're not confronted with gophers over there. But I can recall a lot of places on the outside where

I had this problem in it. I think it's something really interesting to think that you could fertilize and control gophers at the same time. Yeah. All right, that's a good tip. And then I'd like to see what you can tell us about bulbs, that bulb planting

time. Everybody is interested in tulips, daffodils and hyacinths. The big three. From your experience in Golden Gate Park down through the years before you became an instructor over here at san Quentin. You planted hundreds and hundreds of bulbs. I can remember those days. Well we have

now quite an extensive planning going on at this time. Of course we have hyacinth daffodils tulips freezes. I feel that uh we will have the daffodils that they will be back from time to time. We will find that the tulips will disappear and they don't seem

to hold up as well as the daffodils. But the we got the paper white and the yellow narcissus that we've had there ever since. I've been in the program prior to that still growing over there and then we'll add to it all these new varieties. And

we have a real nice collection this time that's going in And I think that some of these wonderful varieties that they have with the bulbs that the person is missing the boat if they don't get them in and plans for the spring and see the beautiful

showing when they do come up and everything. Now. One other thing I'd like to see you guys retain the name of the garden beautiful over there, but maybe the people outside have different ideas. Would you like to have some suggestions from the viewers? I sure would.

This is quite a thing to try to name this here area and it's closed these chapels in here which is a beautiful setting and everything and I think it should have an appropriate name and what that will be. It's hard to say. Sure when you're sending

in those magazines and catalogs and those garden books folks, why not even scratch something out an extra little piece of paper. And if you've got an idea for a name for this area formerly known as the garden Beautiful, let us know. And boy at risk of

being repetitious, maybe even Boris, I want to say again, give this guy a hand. He's doing a swell job. The best way that you can is to send along those old books, old catalogs, anything doing the gardening line to Hal Ramsey R E M S E

Y at san Quentin and he'll get them in behind the walls and into the into the hands of these guys so that they won't be swiping your magazines in the library. Okay, well hal I'm awfully glad you dropped in on us today. Anything anything else that

we can do to help? Why we will. And just as a little surprise before I leave you um had a chance to meet with Clarence Perkins who will be a guest of ours soon. He's president of Jackson Perkins company world's largest growers of roses. You have

100 rows plants coming over to and ferry more seat company down at san Quentin. They didn't want to be left out. They're going to send along an awful lot of seat package, charlie Morris and rex grable the president down. I want to show you that you're

doing a good job and they want to bring you a little more beautification from our own office. If I can leave town long enough Marlys bogan, my secretary will be sending over a lot of things, more places to let's come on over here and see what's

going on in the east Bay bob blau, I had a chance to talk to you a little earlier before we came on the show bob. Tell us a little bit about the kind of work that you're doing with some of these younger youthful law offenders. Well,

the, the young men that we use come out of a place called senior boys camp. This their wards of Alameda County. We have a large undeveloped park, it's called Grass Valley Regional Park And each day, 60 of these boys are transported out and we divide them

into three crews of 20 each and they do various kinds of work and one of the most important kinds of work we feel is reforestation work. They, they have a nursery back at their home base. They usually plant from 20 to 25,000 bare root trees each

year. They put them in cans 20 to 25,000. That's a lot of trees, buddy. It is that's really wonderful because this is work that's going to go on as our old boss hal John McLaren when he was in the park. When you have anything else to

do with me boy, I recall that. I think this is great. 25. Well listen, you know, there's no Chinese addicts that says one picture is worth 10,000 words. Let's have a look at some of these photos you brought along. This is the nursery I was referring

to. This is back at their home base. There's some, there's a box there. Ponderosa pines. You can see there in gallon cans on up the hill you can't see it. There are five or 6000 redwoods that we have out in gallon cans. Here are a few

boys doing a little pipe threading. This also takes place back at their campuses. Not in the park yet. Uh, here we have some boys putting the finishing touches on one of our large permanent, we call them permanent picnic tables. They're doing a little landscaping there. You

can see around the table so that the entry is easy and the exit is easy here we have some boys putting up a guardrail. It's interesting to note that the lumber, the timber there that they're using is, is native to the site. It's red gum eucalyptus.

It's difficult to get a straight piece that long, but somehow they managed to and they're just putting it on the top. There's your kids take a real interest in their work to just write you are here we have, we call it our production line. What it

is is we pour concrete table legs, we pour a set a day and then tear the forms down and then pour another set the next day. These are used throughout the park in the background there you see a kind of amphitheater, we use it for day

campers. The boys themselves thought of the design of this thing. They thought of the idea of using blocks of wood for seats. They're putting some finishing touches on their, here's one of our barbecue pits that the boys built themselves. Some of them are excellent stonemasons. We've

managed to develop them in this direction and they're getting ready to put the grill on. This is the kind of work that we do, an awful lot of, it's just simple logging work. We fall trees, we clear brush, we split the wood and use it later

for firewood. This is a kind of base work. We're always falling back on this sort of thing. Uh, this youth shelter here was built exclusively by the boys. You can see there's some rather complex stonework in there. The chimney was complex and they took a print

and they build this thing themselves. People should see you talking with your hands here. These kids do have to figure things out, don't they? They do, we feel by giving them more responsibility, They respond better now let's see the big boss these days that East Regional

Park district is Belmont. He came from the Open park department and now you guys have got what, 12,000 acres of ground over there, we've got 12,000, probably be increasing that some 5000 the next few months. How big is this Grass Valley regional park deal that you're

in charge of? Grass valley is a long narrow park. It's 3000 acres plus. Oh boy. Now when can the public get in to see some of the work that you and your boys are doing well in a few months we're going to open up some paved

roads into the park proper And at that time the public will be able to come in and see all the work that has been done in the past. Oh, wonderful Bob. I want to say thanks a lot. And listen, the same goes for you. If there's

anything we can do and I hope our big green thumb family out there. You want any seeds or trees or something like that? Let us know and maybe our gang out there can help you too. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. In the meantime you

can get 26,000 trees planted over the years. Well thanks again for dropping in on us. Well, I'd like to talk a little bit about unusual plant from africa, it's an african amarillas. And uh we got really excited here when he came in. The largest shipment that

ever came to san Francisco. They came on a dutch freighter and there's a pretty Amarillas queen, anything of her name at the moment. But she's a beautiful gal from Berkeley UC. Coed. And she's trying to show this guy how to pile them up properly. Well, here

are some of the officials that were on hand, bob, bob, bow, dr, Dennis and mori and the captain of the dutch vessel that brought these bulbs in as we go along here, I'll try to give you more ideas. Now, these are being examined by dr Morry

to make sure that they meet all the official customs and quarantine regulations so that these bulbs will brighten good many pacific coast homes this winter. There's bob with the, with our African amaryllis queen are beautiful gal from, you see, 150,000 of these came in. And what

makes them unusual is that these giant bulbs that you can see here planted uh planet at any time of the year. But preferably in the fall winter section of the year will come into bloom and approximately uh 42 days, 42 to say 50 days from the

time you plant them. What I'm gonna do is bring in one of these things so that you'll have a chance to watch our action and see how they go right here in the studio and we'll just make sure that they come in about an african amarillas.

I think what we might do right now is bring you up to date with what's going on and gardening this week. And our first tip here, tip number one is on the subject of azaleas and I'd like to remind you to be sure to take care

of those azaleas, other plants too, which are growing under wide overhangs where the rains and the sprinkling systems just don't reach good moisture. Is important to these plants all year. Long tip number to withhold fertilizer and limit watering to a minimum. During the winter months, on

citrus trees, most members of the orange and lemon tribe are in better condition to go through the frosty weather if growth is hardened off