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trying to establish that George is going to run when I met yesterday, when I did a community meeting and I can't recall Sonoma County, a diverse county of over one million acres is famed for its agriculture industry and recreation boasting a booming economy and a unique

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lifestyle for its citizens. Described by the theme Luther Burbank as the chosen spot of all the earth. Sonoma County is the place to live, work and play as we move into the 21st century. Led by the forward looking philosophy of its governing bodies. Sonoma County's 340,000

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residents are a harmonious, successful blend of ethnic and economic backgrounds. We invite you to take a closer look at Sonoma County in the nineties with your host, Rich McGlinchey. How you doing everybody? I'm rich McGlinchey in the program in Sonoma County in the 90s. And we

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have a special guest for you today. We're gonna be talking to the newest member of the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors. Micael, Michael is not a stranger to me. I've known Mike for about 10 years, but uh, he is the newest member of the board of

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supervisors. Perhaps I should say if anybody has been over in Russia for the last few months. Governor Pete Wilson um recently appointed Michael Kale to fill out the remainder of Janet Nicholas term and that means Mike will be serving the ranger of 1991 and 92 has

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already announced that he'll be a candidate for the super territorial seat in june of 1992. Mike, nice to renew acquaintance again after seeing in the county for years years ago. Thank you. It's good to be here. You were, you were appointed as a win when you

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take over your seat, October 15 was your first day on the thing. I know you have some background in the county and you've been a member of the city planning commission. You've got a good background in government. I know that. But what were your first impressions

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of this job? Uh, my first impressions were all very positive. I think I knew what I was going into from the start. I was not unfamiliar with the board of supervisors, their processes, what the end product should be. So I felt very comfortable going into that

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environment and I felt very good going into that environment that I could be a very productive influence on what was occurring at the board level. So there was no discomfort in terms of walking into something that I would lack familiarity with. And again, all the current

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members of the board are all friends I've known for a long time and had relationships with for several years. Uh, so I was not again a stranger walking in that I did walk into a situation where I already knew people which made it that much easier

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and they've all been extremely helpful in trying to make my job in my life a lot easier also. Well, Michael, you have a background, You're a law enforcement officer. You were a planner for the county of Sonoma. You have been a member of this rosa planning

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commission. What are some of the other things that you experience your skills that you bring to the office? Uh probably from the business side of course I worked in the private sector, you know, in geothermal development for several years after I left the county and I

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did run a company in southern California, which was a branch off of the work I was doing in the geysers and built it up from nothing to a running operation. I had over 70 employees, one plant that was operating a small power plant that we had

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purchased and was in the process of constructing another one, drilling wells of course interacting with all the permitting agencies, but dealing with the all the issues of employees. I was confronted with that of course with wage negotiations, benefit packages, Uh people coming from a variety of

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different backgrounds demands. So those very similar issues that the board must confront on a daily basis, 40 900 employees. I've certainly had some experience with in, in running a company and of course being in business for myself with my wife with our wine business. Again, I

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do have that perspective that I bring to it that we, we do understand the complications to confront the business community in terms of trying to get things done and in the manner that they have to work uh that it's it's somewhat different than the bureaucratic process

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and sometimes on our side of the house now we tend to forget, uh, how they have to conduct business and the pressures that are put on them to conduct business effectively. Well, mike, you've come to the office with a wealth of experience really, basically, you've got

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governmental experience, you've got land use, planning and planning and commission experience and you've got business experience. So this does in all honesty, is that you up as a, as a well versed candidate certainly for the next year. Right. Well, I would certainly think so. And in

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terms of the selection process, out of the 17 people, it had applied to the governor's office for the position, I was very gratified that the governor did select me. And uh, I would believe that that does speak well, my qualifications, that there must have been something

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there that was seen that allowed me to stand out above the rest. And I do believe I bring that variety of talent to the process that I'm not just focused in one area, but I do have a broad based background that permits me to be effective

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in the broad spectrum. What a supervisor must accomplish, not just in one area. Well, Michael, you represent the first district, which is the sort of southeastern district of the county itself. What are your, some, uh, shouldn't say, what are, what are some of the concerns of

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your constituents. Well, their primary concern for someone about was the fact I live in santa rosa, which has always been a bone of contention in the first district and a fear that they would be disenfranchised from the governmental processes at the county level. So I've been

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working very diligently to reinforce in their minds that that's not the case. And as I've stated numerous times and address doesn't do any work for you. It's the individual that's in, in the office. So I've been working very hard spending time out in the valley dealing

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with those people, understand their problems, communicating with and letting them know that I am available to them as needed and that they will get the level of representation that they need at the county level? And that's the unincorporated community as well as the city of Sonoma,

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which relies very heavily in many instances on county processes to assist them in a variety of problems they must confront. And I think that's been moving forward very effectively to date. I'm real happy with the feedback that I'm getting and a sense from the valley that

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they do believe they are getting representation that there was some fear that that might not occur. Heard that to some of the things I know that the first district has been concerned with. I guess you'd say our growth. What are your thoughts in regard to some

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of the points here, for instance, I noted were growth traffic was based affordable housing. Let's take them one at a time. How to what degree are your constituents concerned about growth? It's a very high priority within the first district, primarily once you move out of the

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valley area, ignoring the incorporated part of santa rosa, which is built out, but I do have portions of santa rosa in my district uh that the valley is a very unique environment. Uh It does have a an ambience that the residents enjoy and and we do

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have a tremendous tourist attraction because of our viticultural productivity and there's a desperate desire that that's going to be maintained and preserved and there's a real fear that there's gonna be urban encroachment moving down into the valley. It would destroy the agricultural and rural setting. And

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so in terms of growth, this is foremost in their mind and its foremost in my mind that we simply cannot allow urban encroachment to occur in in that portion of the district, there will be growth uh throughout the county. It's it's unavoidable. Uh planned growth is

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very workable. Uh as you probably know, there is currently they'll be coming in front of board a growth management ordinance uh for the first district that was generated by Janet, she put the committee together. Uh They completed their works until I came in office and had

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forwarded that back to planning and now that will be coming forward to the board for consideration? And I think it's an extremely positive document, It was done by a complete cross section of the community. It wasn't just a particular focus. So you did have agricultural representation,

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business, real estate, uh, the full spectrum of the residents and it was a complete consensus of opinion when they developed their goals as to what they wanted to see happen and, and that tells you something that's a very strong message. Uh, and hopefully that will also

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work towards alleviating many of the concerns as to what will occur in the valley traffic. Another one. What do you think about this in the valley? It's horrendous. Yeah, no more so than in other parts and yeah, not trying to be flippant about it and you

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can, you can compare it to nap. But when you, when you go through their corridor that again because of the Highway 12 corridor in the relationship to the wine industry and and the relationship to highway 80 and one oh one uh, that has become a uh,

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a means of short circuiting normal routes for traffic that otherwise wouldn't be there. That they see this as an easy opportunity to migrate into the sacramento area or coming that way moving back into one on one corridor. And we have traffic levels that exist on highway

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12 that are incompatible with the roadways that exist today and are different plans that are being looked at by Caltrans regarding bypasses, uh, ways to remove some of that traffic from the corridor. Uh, we're looking at various improvements regarding traffic control at different intersections. We have

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problems with some schools as you're moving into Agua caliente area. The Oakmont community is very concerned about the pit road intersection and we're working with Caltrans regarding that one. You go all the way out to the store Netta corner. Uh, and that's complete trauma when you're

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trying to across that one as you well know. So there are some real significant problems on the horizon. And we are working with Caltrans very closely and also some of our colleagues at the state level, a senator, Thompson assembly member Hanson, uh, to bring some of

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these projects to bear now and they're being extremely helpful from their level to assist the local level to make this happen. The subject of open space. What are your thoughts? Uh, it's tremendous. It's something that it is part of what Sonoma County is open space agriculture.

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And if we are going to maintain for the future, what we think Sonoma County should be, what our vision of Sonoma County is. Uh, the open space nag preservation uh, is critical and maintain that for future generations. Well, we have a group now, we have a,

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what is David's title. He's a open space acquirer sort of speak to the director for the ag and open space as a result of the vote of the county people a couple of years ago right right and again, just a reflection on what David's doing there.

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They're just getting really up and running. I have talked with him about several projects within my district and now we have several others on the horizon throughout the county. They are working very well and very quickly trying to make some of these things happen. So it's

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and David's an excellent person for the job. I'm real pleased with what I've seen and heard from him and working very closely with Jim DeAngelo from Parks plus his committee that I think there's gonna be some real good things come out of this. And people are

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very, real pleased. He and Jim are very both very nice, very low key people, but very effective. And I like that myself. One other major thing, affordable housing. Oh, that's that's quite a thing. What do you view is happening in that respect in the Valley in

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the next few years? Well, it goes beyond the Valley and it's it's certainly and it's a county wide issue without a doubt. And of course, the Valley will have to meet its commitments. But it it's one of those issues that finally, and hopefully we'll get both

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cities and counties talking to one another where historically we have had at least artificial barriers between governmental entities that the solution is, it's not easy. Uh you can put on paper a variety of words that such as inclusionary zoning uh for instance, but in themselves, they're

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not solutions to the problem. And it's going to require everyone coming to the table uh that's of course the elected officials, the decision makers, the development community, the banking community and coming to grips with a real solution because affordable housing is where we have to go

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or my Children and and on down the line will not be able to live in Sonoma County, they will not be able to afford to buy a home and that's the reality of it. We're disenfranchising the next generation as far as homes are concerned if we

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don't do something absolutely not only disenfranchising the future generation, but a lot of our, our working people are teachers, firemen, police officers are being forced to live out of county because they can't afford to buy here and a lot of people don't realize that and I

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was talking to the city of santa rosa, staff ken Blackman more than a week ago and he quoted something like at least eight police officers I believe now living in Lake County because they simply can't afford to buy a home and reside within the area where

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they're working and that's horrible and we have to really do something to correct that problem. We do, we definitely do the county is in the process of updating the housing element which is tying into what we're saying here, how do you see this process unfolding and

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how do you plan to participate? It has been moving forward slowly, but it's moving forward. I have myself began to work again within the community and I formulate a task force of various interest to get back to the table and talk about these, these issues and

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I want to get them back in talking to county staff and again, seeing if we can move to a consensus of opinion on what the solution is going to be. There's a lot of things that the county needs to bring to the table to make this

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happen in terms of revisiting perhaps zoning density and various other constraints that are put upon a developer when it comes in to get permits. Uh, these things all need to be revisited and reconsidered. If in fact this is going to occur, we simply can't put the

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entire burden on the real world and say go do it. You know, we've done our part. We said it'll be x percent, but we need to we need to make it work for them also and it has to be ongoing and cooperative. Absolutely, Absolutely. And that's

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where the direction I'm coming from. We're gonna pause for a moment. Ladies and gentlemen, we're talking to Michael Mike Kale, our new supervisor for the first district in Sonoma County will be back and talk more with Mike after this pause Professor from the call box institute,

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trashed up and we don't want that to happen in our world by stuff that's recycled, recycle the stuff you buy. Take it back. Welcome back to this edition of Sonoma County in the nineties. And on this edition of our program, we're talking to our newest Sonoma

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County supervisor. Michael Mike Kale Mike was appointed by governor Wilson recently to finish out the term Janis Nicolas first district and he will serve with us through 91 92. And Michael has already announced that he will be a candidate for re election to the office in

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the spring of 1992. Mike. Um, we talked about, I'm gonna go back over some of the things we hit on a little bit before, but I really think they're worth restating, so to speak. Um affordable housing, we agree is a key issue of the 90s. There's

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no doubt about that now. How do you see an elaborate a little more than before? How do you see the county meeting its affordable housing needs? Well, again, it uh and we hit on a touchdown briefly before the break that it's going to require a cooperative

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effort between the county and the business community. Uh And the Business Committee includes again, agriculture, finance, construction, the full spectrum must be brought to bear to create a housing opportunity that simply the the passing of regulations and about themselves are not going to create affordable housing.

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Uh setting down mandates uh prescribed formulas thing that would be X number of houses, affordable X number of market rate does not put affordable housing on the ground. So we have to get beyond that mode and begin thinking about implementation. And again, my emphasis and my

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thrust is to get people again talking and I've developed task force uh from the private sector to revisit some of these issues and get them back talking to staff again in the planning department, looking at where staff is in terms of affordable housing within the housing

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element, and then looking beyond that to implementation. And okay, if we agree this is what we're going to do, how do we make it happen? We have a goal, but the goal in and of itself is not going to put affordable housing into place and I

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want to move into the next step very quickly uh and get to consensus on that point. I think once we get to that point then we'll have something to bring back in front of the board that will be very viable. And I'm also working with the

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cities are attempting to uh, city of santa rosa will be attending a meeting that I'm going to chair tomorrow because they're moving forward with theirs, but we can't do it independently. Uh the opportunities for affordable housing, it must be a joint effort and we need to

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look at the various properties that are available to us and see what's gonna work best for the community at large and try to come to to grips with policies and procedures that have some consistency between county processes and city processes and hopefully I'll extend this out

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to the city of Snowmen for the same thing that we will again break down these artificial barriers that we tend to create it over time. Look at a common problem and find a solution that that works both for the governing agencies, but also again for the

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private sector attempting to come in and do a project that uh they're not going to be defeated by just being inundated with the various requirements. So that's really the thrust of what I'm attempting to do now, Michael just recently, one or two ago, Santa rosa builder

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believe range with the city of santa rosa and they made a trade off with a shortened permit time and he was able to build homes and sell them a great deal less expensively than the same type of home would have sold ordinarily. Is this one of

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the answers? Perhaps this is certainly one of the answers and another element within that that didn't really come into play until after it started was getting people qualified major problem. They got the project approved that umpteen people who wanted to move in but attempting to get

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them qualified financially, they couldn't do it. So this is a whole issue that's been left out of the mix in terms of the financial side of the house that and getting people into a situation where they can qualify for a loan and buy the house again.

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We can build all the houses we want within a certain price structure. But if the market that we're attempting to build the homes for is unable to get the loans, it still doesn't serve any purpose and say that's what we have to get these people involved

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in the discussions also. And I think that's been missing, but we have to get the financial houses participating again. So that decision makers understand again from the private sector, what do they need to do to go to a bank to get the money and then in

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terms of once that's done, what do I have to do as a citizen to go to the bank to get the loan and now do we have mutually exclusive or our goal is going to be consistent in terms of providing the housing. Uh and this hasn't

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happened yet. I think people are beginning to sense what the problems are and they're more willing to to look at it in a more rational approach. I thought this was a good example in that the builder, the lenders, the financial institutions, those who got the qualified

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buyers as you say, and the governmental agencies all exhibited a higher degree of cooperation than I it was a long time. It seems to me that I said, and you sort of agree that that is one of the past, certainly we should follow in the future.

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I I think it's the initial path that within that we have to follow that this level of cooperation that it's not us and them it's not someone with a black hat and someone with a white hat that we have a problem. The only, we're going to

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solve the problem is is mutually sitting down and analyzing it and finding solutions together or else we're not gonna get anywhere. And and some people are recognizing that the city of santa rosa recognize that with that project and they attempted to facilitate the development of the

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project and even using that as an example of where the city is now. I think we can move forward in a more constructive and productive fashion in terms of where the county needs to go Working with the cities and with the other incorporated communities to develop

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housing policies within the county that work and and not having now nine cities with Windsor's recent incorporation but going in separate directions from where the county is going that the road needs to come together. We don't want to end up all of a sudden meeting and

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we missed it by three ft. Yeah, yeah, we were close. But that's it. I didn't pick up the phone and call. I mean we need that dialogue and and that's just super, super critical. But we are seeing more of that the people in Sonoma Valley represent

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and will representative reelected are concerned about growth. We talked about growth up here a little bit, but what can be done to control growth in the Sonoma Valley? That is an acceptable idea for everybody. You think what we touched on briefly and there is a growth

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management ordinance that has been developed by the valley. When I say by the Valley, as I reflected earlier, was a cross section of the community. This will be coming forward to the board for their consideration and the uh, the goals and the policies that are reflected

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within that document do reflect the desires of the Valley for future growth. And I believe by implementing that growth management ordinance that we are responding to, what the valley wants to see occur and it's also very consistent with the objectives of the City of Sonoma. So

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again, someone's not saying one level of growth and the county is going in opposite direction that we are moving in a constant fashion So that we'll be able to plan together in a cohesive manner where growth will occur, how it should occur and what it's going

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to look like in 20 years. So I think that was a very productive exercise and I'm just really pleased with the outcome of it and I'm sure we'll see more of that throughout the various planning areas in the county, that other, uh, concerned groups are going

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to sense they have an opportunity perhaps to get a hold of what their growth patterns should be and begin to deal with it at the grassroots level and have more input into the process and use their elected officials effectively as they should uh, to either effect

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change or stay on the course, but communicate and communicate with them and make sure that the desires are being known and transmitted. Got another question I want to stick in here about, uh, in in the last year or so there's been a move afoot to develop

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a hike, bike, equestrian trail from, from the Laguna. I believe it is too lost Los Alamos road up there. Um, now I don't, I don't know just what the, what the progress has been all the way longer. I do know that in this is most of

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a lot of this is in your area. I do know the sector from mission boulevard to Los Alamos. Uh there's a great deal of protest up here because they feel that creek is too delicate to accept the trail and they're recommending and said that they maybe

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go across Montgomery, go through the parks. Now, what happens to you when, when a project comes like that? A lot of people you work with planning in the city and heard this plan before and this may be an excellent plan. I don't know from there on

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down there, but where it gets into an area that does seem to be extremely sensitive. What what what would you do, what do you think about a thing like this? Well, in terms of what did occur, I was contacted by some of the constituents that do

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live in the area and I was familiar with the problems, I had heard some previous discussions in front of the city council and was referred to as reach a of the plan. I got together with city planning staff and and we looked at what the issues

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were that were being presented by the concerned citizens and we began looking for alternatives to accommodate both their desires for the area and also, ultimately the city or community desires for the overall trail. And we have to realize too that the project historically, it was a

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community driven project and the city and the county, the water agency acted as implementing forces to make this happen. The city planners sat down with me and we looked at the issues and they took those to heart and they have already accommodated some changes within the

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plan that will recognize the desires of the community within reach a if they don't want it at this point in time and then that should be there right that there are other mechanisms available to the city to accommodate pedestrian and bike traffic and those are being

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investigated and they will continue investigating. But it is not something that is just arbitrarily gonna be placed out there, but it's a very sensitive area, the creek and the people that live there are very in tune with their environment and they want to preserve it in

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its natural state and that should occur. And I'm fairly comfortable now that that's the position the city will take continue to work closely with the city and the people living here to make sure that does happen. Well, according to the water agency to also the was

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one of the sponsors of the plan that the property owners in that sector, at least this is what they said, it had been good caretakers of the greek they have watched out for And tried to protect it, you know, so this is going to pose a

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real problem, but the alternatives are there so absolutely come up with the best and the city is responding again, it shows the process does work and that, you know, the city planners were very receptive to the concerns of the community and are accommodating change and I'm

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real happy that it is working in that manner. We have about 45 seconds left any final thoughts. Uh, it's just that I'm real thrilled to be where I am. It's good to be back with the county. I couldn't be happier to be serving as a supervisor

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for the first district and I look forward to being there for several years to come. Well, I wish you all appreciate that. It's a pleasure to have you here. Thanks for taking the time. But I know you've been very busy to come over and chat with

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us and tell people a little bit what you think. Ladies and gentlemen, our guest has been Michael, Kale, my kale, we call him, he is the first district supervisor newly appointed and will be a candidate for the office next year. Uh, we've enjoyed what mike has

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to say. And I think you've been enlightened a little bit about what he thinks about various things. My name is Richard Kuklinski, the program, Sonoma County in the 90s. I'll be back with you next week with another member of the county government family or a related

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agency until then. Good luck, good night and good health to each and every one of you. Yeah