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Sonoma County, a diverse county of over one million acres, is famed for its agriculture industry and recreation boasting a booming economy and a unique lifestyle for its citizens described by the famed Luther Burbank as the chosen spot of all the earth. Sonoma County is the place

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to live, work and play as we move into the 21st century. Led by the forward looking philosophy of its governing bodies. Sonoma County's 340,000 residents are a harmonious, successful blend of ethnic and economic backgrounds. We invite you to take a closer look at Sonoma County in

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the nineties with your host Rich McGlinchey. Welcome Ladies and Gentlemen to this edition of Sonoma County in the 90s. We have a special guest fighter today. One of our county supervisors, the right of the screen is Ernie Carpenter. He's a supervisor for the fifth district and

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incidentally was just re elected for his third term in june of this year. Weren't just recently, you'll take office for the third term in january. Right, Well, I'm in the middle of my third term, will have to decide whether or not I'm going to stand for

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reelection, 1992. So this is an off year for me, 10 years, 10 years in office. Hard as it is to believe In that 10 years in office. Well, first of all learn what prompted you to run way back. Well, I sort of became a candidate for

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supervisor by accident in 1980, although I have been interested in politics and the political process, has had has many members of my family for many years, a great number of years uh in 1980 I was actually the Citizen Chairman of ERIC koning show offers, campaign for

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re election and he decided at the last moment not to run. So we had a campaign, we had a committee, an organization, we had no candidate. So in a way I was drafted, but looking back at it pretty much was a natural that it happened that

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way in terms of me being chosen for the candidate in 19 eighties, so you probably don't recall. But there were eight people running against ERIC at that time. And so I stepped in and there were nine of us. And uh it was very interesting, very interesting.

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It was the worst campaign that I've ever been in, worse than the standpoint of, I think everyone kind of turned at me and said uh you know, you're the culprit, but I wasn't the culprit because I hadn't been in office. I got the good of the

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incumbency and the bad. And uh it seems like since then it's been a little easier. Well, you have certainly served to a tumultuous 10 years. It seems like here an awful lot of changes, not only in just Sonoma County, but the state and the nation in

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general, has it been enjoyable process for me. It's been enjoyable. It's been challenging. I get enjoyment out of challenge and I have enjoyment in dealing with people working with people and trying to resolve their problems. I think of the challenge wasn't there? And it's certainly there

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in Sonoma County or or if the people weren't receptive and they weren't responsive, I think it wouldn't be enjoyable but it has been and that that's a big factor in deciding to continue on and positions such as this. The other big factor of course is whether

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or not people want you well, you were a planning commissioner for a period of time before one year for one year In this 10 years. Ernie since you took office as the 5th district supervisor, Two things, what has changed basically and then how has the county

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government changed first? What has changed? You feel? Well, I think most of the issues that were here 10 years ago are still here. We're still working with them. Uh speaking in this case about land use, about the problems that people have with their neighbors, whether it

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be a drainage problem or a problem of a road or so on. We still deal with those. I think what's really changed is the number of people in the county and the intensity and the frequency of the kinds of problems we were dealing with 10 years

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ago. There's a whole new group of problems that's come about uh many of them because they needed to come about, for instance, how to deal with the issue of toxic waste, how to deal with garbage, how to deal with with transit things that that were certainly

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issues 10 years ago, but but now are on the front burner. So we've seen more complicated issues the same old ones. And I think government has changed from the standpoint of on the local level since the state and the federal government have pretty much stop funding

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and stop giving us the resource. It all falls on the local people to be innovative and creative to deal with the new new problems. Ernie, I know you people talk about this among yourselves a great deal and certainly and publicly, but it has to be pretty

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frustrating for a locally elected supervisor to have to accept all the state government mandates without accompanying money. In other words, the state has been great for many years and I've heard all the political men complain about it. You tell us we have to have this program

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and you're going to pay for it and for one year or two years they pay quite a bit and then all of a sudden it becomes our responsibility and we have no choice about dropping it, do we? Well, it's it's very difficult. I think the bottom

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line is that the county's per se are not held in high esteem by the state legislature and the governor and we're sort of last on the list behind the cities and the schools and and there's only so much money. So we we tend to get short

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shrift in funding the programs the state gives to us, there's two aspects of the program and one is they give us mandates to care and the funding is not there, but in recent years they've been cutting previously funded programs through their budget process. So we still

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have the program and the money doesn't come. So it's a big issue between counties and the state and it will continue to be. And how I feel about it, of course, is that we don't like it. I think all supervisors feel if you're gonna give us

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these mandates that you should give us the money to go with it And then it in fact increases the financial problems of the county thanks to you and your cohorts for the last 10 years. Certainly Sonoma County has managed to be remained in pretty good physical

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shape comparatively speaking. But there are small counties that we threatened to go bankrupt as a result of state mandates without state funds. Isn't that true? That that's a large part of it? There are probably a dozen counties that could, on some level declare insolvency, whether it's

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bankruptcy or some other Uh, from some other use of the law. Right. But I don't know the public entity that's gone bankrupt, but it could be a new experience here for dispute. County threatened the other part of that. Is that under proposition 13, your tax base

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is basically set based upon the amount of growth you have. If you have no growth, you're stagnant. Sonoma County has had quite a bit of growth. So our tax rate has turned over, our assessment is turned over and we make more money every year off of

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sales and so on. So from that point of view physically we've been pretty sound. We also have the geothermal, which generate quite a bit of extra revenue. If those two factors had not have happened in Sonoma County, we probably would be right in line with a

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dozen other counties in terms of physical insolvency Ernie 10 years in office almost now. And like you say, a decision to make in a couple of years, what do you like about the job? Well, I think that would challenge comes back local government is sort of

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where it's happening these days. Uh, the legislature. Well, you know, everyone follows the press, they know what goes on up there, but the county government, you're here with your constituency, there's five members. There's not, you know, 50 in a body or how many ever. And uh,

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we pretty much have the issues right there on the table to deal with, you, interact with the public. And as I say, if you don't like the public, this is the wrong job for someone, probably anything in any office and local government. So I think being

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right here with the public is the most exciting part of it. And I think that in the next few years that that's going to increase, the local government is going to have to deal with some of these problems because it's not going to come down from

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the state and federal government. You know, once someone, one of the past supervisors said at one time that the reason he was like being an elected county supervisor was it was the last level of government in which the constituent can meet you face to face or

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you can see your constituents face to face on almost a daily or weekly basis. I mean when you get to a regional deal in the city or sacramento or Washington, I don't know how often you actually see you, but you people are faced with yours every

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day. Right? Good and bad. Well, it's mixed because sometimes, you know, perhaps you might not want to deal with the problem. But you know, I thought when the grocery stores opened 24 hours, that'd be great. I could go shopping 11 o'clock at night. You know, and

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but it doesn't matter. You always run into someone in the grocery store. It has a problem and they see you there and they just want to talk about it. So on some level, uh, when you get tired of the, when you don't want that to happen

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to you, you should be doing something else, but you are definitely very close to the people and I think it's good, There's a lot of eco satisfaction, I'm sure to the councilman and so forth. But it's a damn tough job now I know for a fact

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that, that you supervisors, I think all of you as far as I know, it's been a good 70 hours a week Disentarging your duties as supervisors. Well, certainly during the campaign time you spend 70 hours or more, but I average 50 or 60 hours a week.

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And I think most of the supervisors do and that that's, it comes with the turf. I think the one thing as well that is good about this job is a variety because any on any one day you can be dealing with issues that move from garbage

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to uh, fees at the coast to a dead animal in the road to someone having a problem with your neighbor and junk cards to someone dropping in and just enquiring about county government on some level. So it keeps moving around. And that part as well as

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satisfying as to be able to take on projects are, are problems that people present to you and working through the resolution. What do you dislike about being a county supervisor? Well, probably the only thing I do dislike is the time factor I would like to take

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a three week vacation or take a month and go somewhere. But you pay for that. You know, even even two weeks you come back and it's, there's a foot high stack of mail and uh, you know, a couple of 100 phone messages. So it's difficult to

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get away from it. It's difficult to take a vacation if there's any one thing about this, It's a lack of time to pursue your own personal interest. Ernie, how, how in your opinion or factually I'm sure is the fifth district different from the other four districts

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or the other parts of the county. That's a good one. I've noticed in my tenure that, uh, the coastal counties, first of all, are much more active than the inland counties and Sonoma County is no exception. And the coastal supervisorial districts are much more active than

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the inland parts of those counties. Uh, there's a great deal of difference between the coast and the Sonoma Valley. For instance, even in terms of the ages of the people who live there, their political affiliations, how they feel about issues and so on. In my district.

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There are so many different groups of people with with interest who come together and share some and some they don't, that probably at any given time you could, you could draw a line and you're gonna have large numbers of people on either side of that line

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respective to the issue that that's on the table. And I find that to be exciting because it always shifts people move around over issues. They're very active. A lot of meetings aren't afraid to express their opinion and they let you know. And I think that's good,

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well, you've been called a good supervisor for your district by an awful lot of people that I know that because I know a lot of folks in your district and one of the things is that they say is he's a zealous uh Gardner of the coast

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and the rivers and so forth. And and they appreciate that because that's their that's their home area. And and and it's perfectly fitting that that should be that that's earned you a lot of respect, I believe. And then that's that's the bottom line in the in

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the in the long run, is that if you've ever respect your constituency for feeling as they do about that, it is a unique sector of the county. It's a pretty well, it's actually you're you're getting into looking at the environment and I think probably the West

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County has more people who call themselves environmentalists and who in fact follow forestry issues, clean water issues, offshore oil, those kinds of issues that are pretty mainstream, but yet directly relate to the environment. And I'd like to think I've been a good representative and a good

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good guardian of the environment. Always there's the issue of compromise and how to work with these very groups of people and bring about a real solution. So sometimes problems are stated in such a way that you'd never think there's a real practical solution to them. But

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but often times there is and that's another challenge to being a supervisor to take the groups and bring them together and look for a way to resolve some of these problems. And sometimes there is no compromise. And offshore oil drilling, dumping pollutants into waterways, things of

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that nature. So I do like to count myself among the guardians of the waterways as you express it. Russian river is a tremendous asset to it. It's a aesthetic, beautiful stream and it's a it's a fabulous asset to the county. The way it waters, it's a

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recreational speaking, it's and it needs it has to be protected. I mean this you know you can't play Footloose and fancy with a resource like that because I think that is a finite recess rather than infinite rather and you can really foul that up if we

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let things go as they have and at times in the past absolutely you should move into the fifth district part of the time. You know that that's true. You know we're gonna I think we have to pause right about here because a lot of other things

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I want to check with you here afterwards. But it will pause right now and let the station bringing the audience to public service announcement after which Ernie crop statistics supervisor and I will return, we'll talk more about the fifth district and his time as a supervisor

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here in his 10th year right now. First these messages, oh isn't she special bob. Look at that, congratulations! You've got a lot on the line. Don't blow it with cocaine for your health from the american Medical Association. Mom, I'm tired. We go

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could save your life. How you doing Everybody. Welcome back to this edition of Sonoma County in the nineties were talking to fifth district supervisor for Sonoma County Ernie Carpenter. We're talking about his 10 years in office. He's in the middle of his third term right now

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and has a decision to make in about two years again. Uh Ernie a few years ago we had a problem. Real problem with santa rosa sewage into the Russian river. Uh It takes about five years since I started now. What's different today, so to speak. Well

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they have upgraded the treatment plant to the point where they probably have the cleanest wastewater in northern California and I think they, that santa rosa has come to the point of understanding that this is a reusable commodity and it shouldn't just be thrown away. Unfortunately they

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have not yet chosen a project for the long range and we're starting to get a little antsy here as we get down to the bottom wire because they they still have several choices before them. They're doing the environmental documentation and there's some options like river discharge

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and a pipe to the ocean that some of us would just as soon see eliminated. And uh as you say, it's been almost five years now to get to a public hearing and it's it's time to make a decision. Um how do you keep up with

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all the activity that goes on early and there's a lot of it that goes on not only in your district but you're on the level of board meetings and all you. People meet several days a week actually more than I know your basic meetings on Tuesday.

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But I know you meet on Mondays with the hospital a lot of times and special hearings. How do you keep up with everything? Well, keeping up with the functional. Yeah, I do that. That's another issue. How do you how do you keep your wits about you?

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If you're trying to keep up with everything, a lot of these issues don't go away. They come back in another form and the sewer seems to have its own life or the resolution to the sewer issue and it, once you get into the flow of information.

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Keeping up is a hard thing to do just where everything is. And balancing the upgrades of water systems trying to get road projects trying to work out your own sewer problems. The county itself has about a dozen sewer plants, but basically you keep up by keeping

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large stacks of paper on your desk. You keep a running list of things that you're doing, you keep them on the on the bulletin board in your office and uh we don't miss a lot of them. But but sometimes they're all, they all come at once

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and that's when it's a problem to try and react to different issues as they come to you. 11 in my opinion, one of the best acts that you people accomplished for yourselves. What was getting aids a number of years ago, employing aids to assist each supervisor.

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I know two of your women survived your job. But but I often wonder how supervisors function before. I mean maybe it wasn't as many people granted quite as many problems, but knowing you do put like 50 60 70 hours out in the field or on the

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job, um it used to just be hideous try to keep up with all the paperwork and all the calls. The creation of age was a big asset to the supervisors was doing their job. Well, I don't think I could survive without having a full time aide.

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We do have one full time position in my case it's split between Carole mills and chris paddock, which people know as well as they know me because oftentimes they take the phone calls we we don't really have a system. It's whoever's there takes the call, whoever

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gets the problem takes it. A lot of times I assign constituent problems to them to work through. I take the policy issues and then there's there's a lot in between. But, but no, I don't think you could do this job these days without having someone full

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time in your office. And the reason of course is that snow, my county is growing and the issues are becoming more diverse as we discussed. And and uh, I think probably 50 phone calls a day is about an average that come into my office and that's

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not the outgoing ones because obviously we initiate a few on our own and it's it's difficult to keep up with those phone calls. But I think that's one of the most important things we have to do. We were played with one of the worst epidemics problems

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if you will that this country has ever experienced? That's the AIDS problem. It's affecting more and more people uh, discuss that a little bit for us. Where are we in that problem? What do you view the Sonoma County's role? What's the future hold here? Well, I,

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I think your, your perception is correct. On a per capita basis. We have a very large instance of, of AIDS and HIV positive persons in the community. And I think that the epidemic and you know, most americans have a short lived memory or attention span to

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issues. I think we're still right in the middle of this epidemic and it's it's actually going to be worse before it gets better. On the same token, I think that the community that's affected by AIDS and I think that the populace out there is responding quite

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well in Cinema County and probably through the use of volunteers and others. We've been able to keep up fairly well. Nonetheless. I think it's a real responsibility of the institutions to respond to this epidemic. And I think it's Noma County. We have done a fairly good

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job and we've created clinics and we've created a foundation to raise money. We've put money into the various agencies out there in the community who are the first line responders. So I think that we have kept up with with our ability to respond. We may not

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be doing everything everyone would want. And certainly the problem is going to get worse. But I think that those basic mechanisms are put in place for the county to respond adequately to the epidemic. This year. We created a position to work with the schools to try

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and do some prevention because we did not see a concerted effort in the schools, although individual schools are doing very good work in terms of prevention. It's a tragic and seriously tragic problem Ernie. About 18 months ago you folks concluded a revision of this inorganic general

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plan. Uh, what's the effect of that? Well, I think the general plan works real well. Uh, some years ago the county decided that they would have, that we would have a city or a community centered concept of growth which directs most of the growth to areas

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where there are cities or sewer systems and public water to serve them. Windsor for instance, is not a city, but it has those public services. It's on the freeway corridor and so on. The trade off was to keep large lot zoning out in the rural areas.

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And I think we have adequately through this general plan addressed the kinds of zoning and the kinds of protection policies. We need to keep the outer parts of Sonoma County outer from santa rosa and the freeway corridor say Protected. Unfortunately, what has happened is that the

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growth that we anticipated to be phased in through now in the year 2005 is happening all at once and we've exceeded 1995 in the year 2000 projections. And in some areas we've had to slow try and slow down that growth in order to let our infrastructure

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traffic, sewer schools on catch up. But I think that the plan works really well and there's some elements in there that are new and different and I feel exciting. Yeah. You know, Ernie, I've heard people say and certainly merit to it that why don't we just

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stop growth for five years just so we can catch up with the like you said, the infrastructure needs, the sewage needs and things like that, but that sort of thing can never happen can it? It's difficult, it's difficult to stop growth and the only way I

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know to do that is to shut down all of your infrastructure and perhaps not allow anyone to build any more houses, but I I just don't think that's practical in certain areas where this explosion of growth has taken place, where a sewer plant might be overwhelmed

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or or we can't keep up with the roads, we've put into place policies in the form of subdivision and building moratoriums to to try and catch up until the ledgers balanced, but you know this is a very desirable place and people are going to continue to

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come here and many people have come later on and they said no, it's just beautiful, but now let's let everybody, you know, once you get here yourself, a lot of people want to stop anybody else from coming in. Well that's not the american way either, you

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know what I mean? I mean, that's the freedom to move is part of our freedom basically, you know, speaking of the ability to move transportation is a pain in the backside too, isn't it? What are we doing about that? Well there's no question, the transportation issue

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and the affordable housing issue and open space issues are gonna be on the front burner for the next few years to come. And fortunately we have uh plans to address those through a november ballot. There there are tax measures on that will allow the citizens to

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express their opinions about whether or not they should be taxed taxed themselves through a sales tax in order to improve both One o1 and our transportation system, including uh provisions to start planning for some kind of a rail. There's a companion measure on that has to

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do with a quarter of a cent for open space that will generate about $8 million 20 years to allow us to purchase certain easements and uh, perhaps even certain parcels in the county to preserve uh, that land on into the future. As we do grow. As

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we said earlier, one of us, the board meets Tuesday morning for its official board meeting on Tuesday afternoon. You're donning dying matters protests, but you people do a lot more than that you serve on other bodies. Well, for instance, I can think about so called enterprise

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funds the community Hospital, Lafco. And you also have the directors of the snow Okay Fair. Which are even the water agency which is a separate agency, so to speak. Uh, they must take a tremendous amount of time, don't they? Well, it does take quite a bit

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and I think right now, particularly with the competition in the medical area trying to uh deal with those issues with respect to community hospital, which the county runs is is is a big issue and uh we're talking about expansion up there and so on. So there

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are a variety of reports and so on. But there are our commissions that each supervisor sets on were a member of a bag. We have jim Harbison from the South Counties on the Golden Gate Bridge Board. We have a member on the Russian River Commission, the

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North Coast Supervisors Association. And this list pretty much goes on uh at infinitum personally, I'm a Commissioner on Lafco Local Agency Formation Commission which rules on annexations and formations of new districts and cities also this year. Unfortunately, unfortunately because it takes a lot of time. Representative

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to the California supervisors association. So we have a 58 person board of directors trying to work with the legislature and bring peace and harmony to all the counties, something that's hard to do. And I also a member of the AIDS Foundation and a few other little

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groups and committees that I set on. But all supervisors have outside duties that they attend to. Uh it's a formal part of their duties but not directly related to the Tuesday board meeting or are working with the constituents on a daily basis as we all do

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as well. Another thing though, that each of you is also put upon yourselves except it is the liaison to the county department. You have about 30 or 40 county departments and each of you have functional divisions like that and you kind of work pretty closely with

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them, don't you? That's right. The chairman for instance has the county administrator and the fair board, the fair board is independent. We we appoint them and we oversee their budget and we own the property, but we have a close liaison with them this year. I'm the

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liaison to fiscal services and I think our our fiscal services are fairly well run our money. We're in pretty good dollars through the county treasury and that makes my job easy. So I don't get much call. If you're the planning liaison, you have planning and building

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and those functions a little bit more work. And if you're the criminal justice liaison, there's quite a few meetings and quite a bit more work there as well. A voracious appetite. You're never bored, you're never bored in this job and you never lack. Thanks, thank you.

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Always have a pleasure to come over here, what's happening and certainly hear about the fifth district. Ladies and gentlemen been talking to Ernie Carpenter, the Sonoma County supervisor for the fifth district. Been talking about the fifth district itself, which is fascinating and his job as a

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supervisor, this is his 10th year in office and as I said earlier a couple of years, he's got to decide whether he wants to stay longer. My name is Rich McGlinchey, the program Sonoma County in the nineties. I'll be back with you next week with another

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member of the county government family. Till then. Good night, good luck and good health to each and every one of you.