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do you from doing all these awards? Yes, sir. Can I just mention that Sonoma County, A diverse county of over one million acres, It's famed for its agriculture, industry and recreation, boasting a booming economy and unique lifestyle

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for its citizens. Described by the same Luther Burbank as the chosen spot of all the Earth, Sonoma County is the place to live, work and play as we move into the 21st century. Led by the forward looking philosophy of its governing bodies, Cinema counties, 340,000 residents

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are, Ah, harmonious, successful blend of ethnic and economic backgrounds. We invite you to take a closer look at Sonoma County in the nineties with your host Rich McGlinchy. How you doing, Everybody? Welcome to another edition of Sonoma County in the nineties. On location, we're in the

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terrace area of the John Ash and Company Restaurant at Vintners Inn, located just north of Santa Rosa off of Highway 101 and actually facing Barnes Road. It's a beautiful place, and I wish you could all be here with us today. We're gonna be talking to two

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of the gentleman who make this place very, very special. in the center of our screen. John Duffy. John is the owner off Vitner in John and Francisca, the owners of vendors in and on the left is Jeff Maduro And Jeff is the What do we call

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you? The executive chef. The chef with Chef John Asking Company restaurant. A fabulous place. You'll learn more about that in just a moment, John. Nice. First of all, it's nice to have you here. Every pleasure, John, Uh, a traveler to the wine country couldn't. Couldn't come

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to a better spot than vendors in really couldn't. But you're the originator of it. What? Tell us what prompted you to build this particular type of an operation here. Well, we traveled extensively in France and we saw that this area looked like the Provence area of

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France. And so when we thought about building a place, we saw this. We saw the mountains and feel comfortable with it. We went back to France and spent about a month going through the southern part of France, took a lot of pictures of the architecture of

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the Provence area and brought him back, took them to an architect and then started to lay out the end, and what it reflects is, uh, a village in the Provence area. And so that's where it came from. And this is where we're at, uh, forgive my

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failure in charge of here where Provence is, where in relation to Paris would say right at the southern and the bottom of France. Basic. Okay, actually, the southeast corner of France. If you want to get specific now, I don't wanna hear many my history teachers out

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there teachers at one time. What about the design? It's a very beautiful design. What is it? Well, the Provence architecture is basically tile roofs, arches over the windows tile. And in the center of all the buildings is a fountain, which maybe you'll see later on some

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of the production. Here and in the Provence area. The villages are centered around fountains, and so there's multiple fountain within a village, and then everybody would live around that found that would get their water from it. And so what you're going to see here later is

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just a fountain which reflects the typical Provence Time village. Um, how many rooms do you have and how many acres air you're surrounded by? Here Well, there's 44 guest rooms, large guest rooms, and then we're surrounded by 44 45 acres of vineyards, which are chardonnay and

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sauvignon blanc. Just beautiful. Ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't been Teoh vendors in or two certainly John National Company Restaurant, you must come out sometimes. You know, first of all, the ambiance. The beauty of this place is is it has to be seen to be appreciated.

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Um, you also have some of your own wine. I know you don't make the one stuff, but you do have your own Rittner label, don't you? Well, we sell grapes to people like Ken would Kendall Jackson on different different years. They produce the wine for us

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on. We put our own label on it. And that's what we sell both here at the end and John Ash. So actually, and that those of those particular type, uh, bottlings have also won awards at harvest. Fare like you say that you take them to the

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vintner are too not to venture to the the winery and they make the running for you. But those morning still have one. Wardle won a lot of awards, and in the case of, like, Hannah are grapes in that are about 25% of the blend. So it

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really has a meaningful impact on on the wine. Uh, why don't you tell people briefly, How did they get here coming from, say, from the area from the bay area from the Golden Gate Bridge one hour north. Can't can't go wrong on that. And then they

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come to the intersection of River Road and 101 they get off the river road exit, they take a left and they head out towards the coast. But they only go a very short distance, like half a minute. And then there are Barnes Road there and down

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Barnes Road to the left. And then they're right there from the highway. They can see the project, and if they just keep their eye on it, they will get their very easily. All right, John Jeff Madura. Jeff, you are the chef, right? At John Nash in

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company. And I was telling you earlier before we started the program that I had the pleasure of coming to John Ash Street in Montgomery Village. But I forget when did you about home Go to Dylan start that. That was about 13 years ago when John moved

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up to Sonoma County area and open John Ashen Company. Have you been with him since most of the time. No, I haven't. I came here in August of 88 did my extra in ship from the California Culinary Academy and worked for a month for free at

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this restaurant. About a year after it, It opened up. How was when did you folks move out? Here? We moved here in August of 87 Was basically the time when the old restaurant from a cover village moved everything over here to this John Ash and Company

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restaurant has one, uh oh. Just on enormous number of awards but very prestigious awards to wonder some of the food large of people of one of them. But I think some of the best ones reward does definitely are the Conde Nast Traveler Award, which is voted

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one of the best 50 restaurants in the United States in 1991. And that's something to be said for anybody. Um, you have also won the Focus magazine People's Award, which is more of ah, were that I would really take into merit because it's voted by the

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people. The people who actually come in here and dine instead of nothing against critics but who were here for is the actually the customers. And I think by getting voted by something like Focus magazine as being the best restaurants in Omagh County really says a lot

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for the restaurant itself and numerous other rewards from the Wine Spectator to Zag. It guide, Um, basically a lot of the different awards that you can win throughout the country. Incidentally, Jonas couldn't be with us today, But I should ask, Where is Young? I believe John's

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in Chicago. It's hard to keep up with. His schedule is pretty much on Chicago this time of year. I wouldn't want you coming out here much nicer much. Does he, uh, coming off? Um, I basically talked with John at least once or twice a week on

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the phone, and I usually see John at least 4 to 5 times a month. If not mawr. I go up to Fetzer a lot. He is the culinary director Professor value. So I go up there and spend time with John in the gardens, working on new

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recipes for the restaurant itself. Um and then also John has still a lot of say in the direction of this restaurant, and I want him to have that because with his travels pretty much all over the world, he brings back a lot of fantastic ideas for

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the restaurant and for the type of cuisine that we're doing and which basically is wine country cuisine. So he brings back ideas from other countries that we can incorporate into what we're doing here. Well, John is indeed a peculiar treasure for Sonoma County, but I think

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it's only fair to say that Jeff Maduro has done a magnificent job off shifting, if you will hear, because I hear from throughout the county and and elsewhere the wonderful food, the ambience of service, especially the food, which is your prerogative. But I suppose you're interested

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in all the compliments we hear about you. Thank you very much. I think I have a fantastic staff behind me, which really, you know, you can't do it by yourself, and you can ever imagine to do it by yourself and the wait staff here pretty much

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the whole restaurant itself and vendors And it's just a great group of individuals that have come together to really make a dining experience and a stain experience in Sonoma County. Better than you could ever imagine. Jeff, thank you for taking a few minutes Your busy schedule.

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John will visit with you again on our next program. Ladies and gentlemen, been talking to Jeff Madura, the chef for John Ash and Company restaurant. John Duffy, Who is the proprietor, if you will. The order of vendors in I'm gonna pause here for a moment. We'll

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be back and we'll be talking to Jack Book Walter in the Sonoma County Planning department and Ted Morrison, the director of building inspection division. And we're gonna talk about historical buildings. Gonna learn a lot about that. But first, this important message, she'll be all right. The

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silent suffering of animals. But they can't do it alone. They need your help. find out what you can dio call the Humane Society of Sonoma County. Welcome back to this addition of Sonoma County in the nineties. Don Rotation in the terrorist area of the John Nash

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and Company restaurant and Vintners in We're about to talk to two. Gentlemen, we're going to talk about historic buildings, and we're gonna talk about him from different aspects. First will be talking to Jack Book Bolder. Who is a planner? He has a master's degree from San

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Jose State on a master and a masters in history from Sonoma State. Correct. They are going to make sure I got the right. Uh, remember, it's normal kind of planning department twice. Now. You work from, what, 81 to about 87. Then you come back a few

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years ago. I've been here for almost three years now, knowing history. Quick. Our other guests over here on the left of the screen is Ted Morrison. Been with us a few times before, and he is a, uh, head of the building inspection department for a county

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of Sonoma. Jack will talk to you first. About some of these things were Don't have a home. Great deal of time, but we're going to try to get as much as we can. And, incidentally, if we're not able to cover most of the material we want

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will have your back and do it again another time. But Jack, what exactly is it? What exactly is a historic building, as opposed to one that's merely old? Well, it all depends what level of government you're talking about, What level of designation federal, state or local.

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The county is the most on the most familiar with that being the staff person of the County Landmarks Commission. There are 164 designated county landmarks in cinema candy right now. And to be a county landmark building has to be at least 50 years old. Although we

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have some exceptions to this. If a building can prove its historic merits and its own era, it can be considered a landmark before 50 years have elapsed. A good example of that is the Sea Ranch condominium number one, which was built in the early seventies but

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has going on to influence residential design in the country over the last 20 years. Other criteria include an association with an important person or family in the history of a community and or being an outstanding example of a particular architectural style historical style or being a

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representative of a work from a master builder or a well known architect or something of this nature. The building must also, uh, possess we call historic integrity, which means there can't have been too many remodeling and additions to the original building that would detract from its

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historical appearance. There are some exceptions to this, too, because often old editions and old remind wings have been around so long they take on historic significance in their own right. But generally speaking, any remodeling on the exterior, done since the 19 thirties, only served to detract

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from the history of the building. Um, we have, um, also cities in the Candies condition eight their own landmarks. And several of these have done so and also the unincorporated communities in the county that often people think of being their own. Separate towns are really part

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of the county administration complex and often these air historic areas, and have been given his story district designation by the county communities like Occidental Freestone in Valley Forge. And this is like this. What's the difference in a historic building in a landmark? Well, the landmarks are

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designated by the accounting as being a landmark building and have gone through the process that I just outlined. They also have to have an HD zoning, which stands for historic District. They have to go through the regular zone zone change procedure that in the other reason,

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would have to go through, which involves public hearings at the, um, Board of Supervisors and Planning Commission level and fees of right now there around $900. And the whole process takes about six months. Uh, let's talk about the duties of the county lands marked commission. And

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how would that affect the owners of historic buildings with Landmarks? Commission is a official county body that's appointed by the Board of Supervisors. Each supervisor appoints one member to their supervisorial district, and they review and approve all changes on the exterior of this native county land

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Lex. They have adopted a number of guidelines and criteria to help them in this task, including adoption of the Secretary of interiors standards for rehabilitating historic buildings, and these are documents that involve issues of design workmanship construction materials and building materials. Um, if someone wants to

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tear down a historic landmark doesn't landmark, it gets a bit more complicated. Sequel. The California Environmental Quality Acts requires that a environmental impact report be completed prior to demolition. Now an e i. R would lists the alternatives to the proposed demolition and that would discuss the

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historic significance of the building. And it would also provide mitigation measures to the loss of the building. In some cases, if the building were historically significant enough, the adopted mitigation measured maybe to preserve the building, if at all possible not to tear it down and are

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least portions of it and incorporated into replacement project the county wants won't consider a demolition permit unless replacement projects are in place on owner of that landmark canete, tear down the building and just leave a vacant lot. For instance, there's one more classifications of historic buildings

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in the county that do require some analysis if an owner wants to tear them down. The county has commissioned a number of historic surveys over the years, and the surveys have identified certain buildings that may be eligible for the National Register of Historic Places in those

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cases. If if owner wants to tear that down, they have Teoh performing. We call Historic Structures report, which is like a mini E i r. Yeah, listen, so far, you kind of explained the restrictions placed on historic buildings. But there must be some advantages. Definitely feels

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here. There's many advantages. First of all, you have the satisfaction knowing that you want a piece of California history, especially calif for especially cinema counting history, which is has a very rich and colorful past. On a more practical level, um, you have the prestige of being

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on the county landmark's list or on the national register or whatever. Um, if you're a business that's gonna be important, you can use that in your advertising. You can use that as part of your marketing ploy. You can have a plaque out in front of your

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building that says you're a designated landmark number, such and such. This is important, especially important for being bees of the last few years. They've exploited this quite well. Um, I don't believe that any comparable state programs to what they have for the National Register in the

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National Register and you are on a commercial building, you can be eligible for rehabilitation tax credits. These aren't as plentiful as they once were, but they still around, and there are people who know how to make use of them at the county level. Again, you have

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the prestige being on the list, but also, if you are a non profit group, you are eligible to apply for rehab funds from the county. That's fun by the county bed tax. The county bed tax is an 8% taxes levied on all hotel in moto receipts

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and campgrounds now in the canning. And the proceeds of that go into projects and activities that will draw on more visitors to the county who pay more bed tax free will. It's a self generating fund is very effective. I noticed that you just said that bed

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taxes used to do with some of these things. And I see John Duffy over here your adventures in We're helping to do this. All right, Jack. Thank you for for this part of it right here with this might have some more thoughts. Ah, just a moment.

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Jackboot wanted. Ted Morrison and I will return more about historic buildings first this important message. The town I live in is so small, most people don't really even think about HIV or AIDS. But my old boyfriend had it, and now so do I. You know, I

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and the Terrorists in the John Ash and Company restaurant at MIT. Ners in We've been talking with Jack Book Walter of this no account of planning department that would have talked Teoh Kid Morrison, who is the chief of the building inspection department. And Ted is no

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stranger to us minute timer to. But in regard to the fact that historical buildings Jackson talking about or historical buildings subject to the same building codes and standards of other buildings rich, that's one of those yes and no answers. Yes, yes, stay. They are subject to

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which one is it? Today they are subject to the same standards as other buildings, and basically that's the model codes, one example of which would be the uniform building code. However, if you have a non historic building, that is the standard. If you have a historic

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building, you also have the option of using the California State Historic Building Count. What the state historic building code is is it's an alternate set of regulations that will do two things. It will provide reasonable levels of safety to building occupants from fire, earthquakes and other

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hazards while simultaneously preserving the architectural heritage and his heritage and historic fabric of the buildings. Is that historic? Uh, building coaches mentions that mandatory. Currently, it's mandatory when it was initially adopted, and it was, I don't have the precise dates. But in the late 19 seventies,

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the first historic building code was enacted at the state level, and at that time it was voluntary. Local jurisdictions could use it or not use it at their discretion in, I believe, 1984 state legislation changed it and made it mandatory. So as of today, all 58

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counties in California and the 380 plus cities must use the historic building code when dealing with designated historic buildings. If it's mandated, it has to be enforced. Who enforces the state Historical Building Code, Ted Morrison and staff Ted Morrison and staff and forces in any on

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incorporate area of Sonoma County. The enforcement is by local jurisdictions. Whoever enforces the building regulations in a county or city also enforces the state. Historic building code. Now is, you might imagine the model codes, which we enforce on a daily basis, become somewhat simple. State historic

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building code, which only applies to designated historic buildings, comes about very rarely, so. The enforcement can be difficult just through the application that does not occur frequently. And that's where the state Historic Building Code Board Building and Safety Board is helpful. Well, this is the thing

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I had not jotted down. What is the state historical Building safety board and what is its membership? It's a board that's authorized by state legislation. It's comprised of 21 members. I will take the time since I know we're short to describe all of them that there's

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architects, there's engineers, there's historic preservation groups. The League of California Cities, the California State Association of Counties and many other agencies are represented on the board total composition is 21 employees, many diverse backgrounds. And as a result, some of the discussions can be quite lively. And

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one of the members of that board is sitting right here at this table. You remember that More direct I am? Yeah. Do you represent How long you been on the board? I'm on the board representing the California State Association of Counties, and I was first appointed

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to the board in 1987. The terms are four years and I was reappointed in 1991. Me Digress Here from the questions have jotted down to ask you, Do you people work together fairly closely with these things? Well, we have to. You know what I mean? I

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can understand from what you said earlier about codes, everything and you're saying about the building requirements and the safety requirements in the enforcement. But are you called in to converse frequently for some of these manager? Well, I usually inflame the applicants for historic designation that they

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should be working with the building department directly. And they work on a case by case basis. OK, and I give them personal attention. Yeah, absolutely. So one do have to work together. Get along, get low. Yes, Uh, what is the boards function? Ted and responsibilities. Basically

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three primary functions. One is basically toe author the code, and we're in the process. Currently of updating the code updates with code go through the same process is any other state codes They're subject to review and approval by the State Building Standards Commission. Additionally, the board

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serves as a advisory panel to state bodies that are dealing with state buildings that have historic significance and the last significant component of the board's duties. It's an appeal body to decisions rendered by local jurisdictions. Yeah, but we're talking in today, gentlemen, about the State Historical

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Building Safety Board and not the local Board of Supervisors would be sure we get our board straight. Honor. Um, Ted, if there's a question at the local level relative to history building code, how would groups or individuals involved your, uh, state historical building safety board? Well,

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first, you would go through the normal process of dealing with your local building department. If, in your particular proposal, you find yourself at odds with the Building Department and also assuming that the issue has statewide significance, the issue can be appealed to the state Historic Building

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Safety Board. Okay, Um, how does the public benefit from the state Historical building code? Did only ways you can think of. Well, I think there's this two major benefits. Number one. It does help preserve California's historic heritage. It provides an alternate set of regulations that addresses

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the two issues. One is the safety of the occupants, which is always foremost safety of occupants that use buildings, safety from fire hazards, safety from earthquake hazards, etcetera while simultaneously preserving historical features of the building. Uh, Jack, I want to jump back to you. We have

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a little bit of time. Here was a couple of points there. You wanted to elaborate a little bit more. We were talking about questions. I just ask you, um, everybody. When it was about the We'll talk a little bit more about the National Register of Historic

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Places in the States at Landmarks Commission, National Register of Historic Places is administered by the Department of Interior. And there a number of local buildings that are on the National Register as well as being a county landmark would be something like this museum. The county museum

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downtown or no, it's, uh I believe that is on the national register. Correct? Yeah. And trying to give an example. So we're trying to talk about being on the National Register. You did not have to necessarily have national import. You could be significant at the local

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level And probably most of the buildings in cinema counting on the national register, A significant at the local level. There's also the state landmarks program that is reserved for the rial biggies of state history. The winds we all know about and read about the textbooks. Right.

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In Sonoma County, we have a number of these in cinema candy. And examples include the Petaluma Adobe and the Fort Ross up the coast of the plaza in Sonoma s. So we have our share of important state landmarks. Okay. What? You Thank you both. We touched

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on most of this. We kind of had to hurry through some of it. What did you do visit with us again later? This year's looked great like that. Yeah, Jacket pleasure to have you. Thank you. Always a pleasure. Really good to be back. Yeah, both you

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guys and yeah, we look for a couple three months, we'll get together and talk about some more of these things because there's a heck of a lot we didn't cover. And people really are interested in a historic buildings. They're interesting that I've seen grow in this

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last decade tremendously. Ladies and gentlemen, my guests on this edition of the program have been Ted Morrison, the chief building inspector for Norma County and Jackboot Water, a planner for Sonoma County. And these gentlemen work with the historic buildings, the preservation safety codes and so forth.

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I'll be back next week. Another member of county government family related agency. Until then, good left. Goodbye and good health. Each and every one of you. And by the way, come out and see John Ash and Company and Vintners in Beautiful. I really think that, uh,

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if you haven't been out here, you miss something that you you can't see anywhere else. It's just unique. So by all means, come on out. Visit Every time we were looking for your next week