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in Omagh County, the chosen spot of all the earth as far as nature is concerned, According to the famed plant wizard Luther Burbank Diverse County, with 1,010,000 acres of land on 1574 miles of scenic roadways, Cinema County is rightfully famed for its agriculture did a culture,

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industry and recreation, as well as for the amazingly successful ethnic and economic mixture of its more than 340,000 residents on for the forward looking philosophy of its local governing bodies. Now we invite you to take a closer look at Sonoma County in the eighties with your

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host, Rich McGlinchy, for another edition of Sonoma County in the eighties, we were cinema counting. The seventies were some account in the eighties, and we may even be some only counting in nineties someday in the future. Our guest on this edition of our program is a

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fellow who's visited with this before. And it gentlemen, I'm sure you all know his name is Nicolas Pastilles, supervisor for the fourth District in Sonoma County, and he's been a supervisor for into his 11th year now. Good morning. Welcome. Before we start talking to you about

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the job of being supervisor and the new supervising everything. Damn it. I want to call your attention to the artwork on the studio wall today. These are two paintings by an artist named Ellie McGlinchy. And yes, there is a connection. It's my wife. I saw him

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a little earlier in a very They are very nice. I'm riel. Ah, happy that there is some talent on part of that family, if you like. I don't see Well, all right. She's a good, huh? Yeah, that's right. Nick and my wife get along just for,

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uh, we have a new member on the Board of Supervisors. Tim Smith. Now, how is the boy going to change? What's gonna happen on the borders? Different misers with the new member. I don't think you're going to see any change, Red Show. I think that we

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try to work together. We have ah ah, level of service that we try to provide to the public. And, uh uh, I think we all try to work together to to bring that about so that we can bring the best service to the people of Cinema

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County. That is possible for the dollars that are available, which you're getting tighter by the day. You know that, Nick, that is honestly true and has been true in the years I've worked with you out there since you been on the board. And as I said,

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you're in your 11th years supervisor, your third term. It seems like you people I know you differ. And I know you have differing philosophies, that many things, But it seemed to me you work quite well together. You have, with all the bottom line is rich that

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we do provide programs. We are, ah, one arm of the state government, and we have to provide the services. And sometimes we take a little different approach on how we get to the bottom line but, uh, and provide those services. But I think that we try

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to work well and sometimes we do disagree. And I think that's healthy, uh, to disagree at times. And, ah, if there are problems with the program, it gives us a chance to really take another look at it and make sure that we are doing the right

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and making the right decision. Will you people do speak your minds to you know, do that in public. And I mean, the differences air aired cleanly, and I think that I think that's very healthy, Nick. One thing that's probably going to raise havoc with us is

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the Or maybe not. Maybe it's gonna be great. What about the state budget for 89 90? How is that going to affect local? Well, it surely we don't know at this point, but, uh, we are very concerned about that because we have several in many state

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and federal mandates that we have to provide to the local people. And we just don't have enough money. And of course, state government never sends enough money and we're looking at other types of incomes, and one is a transfer on sales tax. Out of the six

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cent sales tax or 6% we only get one and 1/4 percent. We're looking for another half a cent, which would bring approximately $14 million additional to the county of Sonoma for other services. Uh, we we have to look at a, uh, what we call a stable

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source of funding. And in talking to the governor the last couple three years, I am on the Ah statewide Association as a director for Sonoma County, and we've been looking for ah, stable source of funding and and to areas that we've been looking at is one

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is we need help in the criminal justice system, trial court areas and this has been a major, major issue statewide over the last few years. The growth is something that is just been significant and we don't have any control over that. And so the governor had

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agreed to help us on some kind of a bailout statewide on the trial court system, and we did get a few dollars this year. I think we'll about 1.7 million, I think, is what it was. And we're looking at overall, probably another 3 to 3.5 1,000,000

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for this next fiscal year. Whether the budget state budget will allow that is a good question this time. And then we were looking at, uh, the possibility prior, uh, to going to the ballot on this half a cent. Transfer is working with the governor and the

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governor was basically willing to go along with us and transfer that with some strings attached, but they were livable And that was where, see, with our hospital. Ah, we'd have to take care of all the engine in the gym. And that costs the taxpayers in Cinema

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County about $5 million a year. Now, we are reimbursed at this point. But if there were a transfer, then what we would do is is we would lose that reimbursement. But the half a cent would mean about 6 to $7 million to the county's eso. We'd

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still pick up a net gain of a couple of $1,000,000. And between that and the trial court system, we'd pick up maybe 5 to $6 million. That would surely help provide any fairly painless way to 1/2 a stand on the sales tax. Is not that punitive?

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Anybody? Well, this is a transfer now from the States portion. Yeah, that's true. Not interesting. It? No, we're just That's right. That's right. Forgive me. I was thinking over increasing. No, you're right. We're just getting another half percent. Have a scent, I should say. Yeah. Big

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difference. Yeah. Listen, Nick, one of the things that's happened that's probably put us in a hole somewhat in the last few years. is the P Jeannie cutbacks that the guys er's now what's it? What has its effect been last year or two? And what do you

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think it'll be on the county's 89 89 90 budget? Well, we're not sure yet for the 89 90 budget, but, uh, one of the problems in the past er you know, it's been great, really, to have almost 20% of our tax base in Sonoma County coming

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from geothermal man. Ah, that's been really a godsend because many of the county's throughout the state of really run into some real financial, uh, problems here in the last eight or 10 years with Prop. 13. And fortunately, we've we've done quite well because of the extra

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revenue. And so anyway, over the years, there's always been a known factor that that resource was going to diminish, and when and how, and the whole nine yards is was never known. Well, I think we're at that point now that we we do have some indication

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that the trend is going down. And so P Ginny and the oil companies have taken another look at the whole area and how how they will address that situation, and they will not continue to drill in some of the fringe areas because a resource isn't that

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readily available. And also in some of your other areas where the generation facilities are, uh, maybe not quite as efficient is the newer models. They will transfer those steam lines transmission lines to other areas of mawr efficiency, and you'll see some closures of some of those

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plans, I think in the next 10 years, and that will make a big difference because they have a value. But nevertheless, the resource is beginning to drop. And ah, they do reinject uh, some waters to to extend the life of those steam peels. But you don't

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get a one for one return. That's going to say one thing, though. The last time the there was a gasoline or oil, if you will crunch worldwide geothermal development went up. This was in like in the seventies. I guess maybe even early eighties get but And

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that may occur again that the OPEC countries were trying to get together and get their act together and charge everybody more for your Would that have any effect on this? Do you think? Well, it surely Well, you know, when the price of oil dropped down to

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await the way, Did you know? Of course, geothermal is is tied to fossil fuels. And, uh, that was one reason why we lost about 50% of our revenue. Right from geothermal is because of that drop in price. Now, I can't say that's good or bad. You

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know, when you go to the service station Ah, it's much nicer to pay a cheaper price for your gasoline. But on the other hand, uh, uh, we could lose some services because of the lack of revenue. And that's what it really translates, Nick. One of the

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year in the fourth District, which is really pretty much the north or the Northeast county. Almost all the north can if I think about it. But you have about as much territory as every on the other supervisor together, don't you? Well, I have Ah, roughly 38

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39% of the county. Uh, that's and I do believe it or not represent all West Santa Rosa city limits. Right? And people don't realize that. So I do have the biggest district and in population factor and wise on. Probably number one now the town of Windsor.

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It's a township. I give me an hour community right now. Okay? They've talked about Inc. They haven't done it yet, do you? What do you think will happen this coming year? You think they might? Well, aboard. Ah, funded a Windsor Municipal Advisory Committee a year ago

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to take a look at that question. Ah, there there was an attempt back in 1978 to look at the possibility of incorporation. And at that time, with Prop. 13 on the ballot and different issues that within the community and different factions it failed. And I think

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rightfully so because they really didn't do their homework. And they wanted to come back and take another look. And I said, Well, I would be willing to go along with that, but you're really gonna have to your homework this time because we can't waste money in

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it together. On the other hand, if you can show me where you can provide a better level of service as an incorporated city, uh, then the county can provide you. I will be more than happy to back you people. So far, they're there right in the

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middle of the process, and it looks good. It looks good for him. It looks like it's feasible. And I think they can provide a tremendous yes, there has. And so the question is out there, and I believe it will be on the June 1990 ballot. Huh?

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Oh, um, warm springs down. Took a long time for us to get that. We were there the day they dedicated her. Yes, you in the general taking the plaque or it wasn't regenerating any powered our warm springs down. We just started to crank up the system

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and test it out. And it's it's running fine. And probably within 30 days we will be, Ah, in the commercial generating business. That's terrific. And that'll be a great, uh uh, advantage for the water contractors in Cinema County. And when I'm happens to be the city

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of Santa Rosa Yeah, right. And you see, you have to remember that now this thing is going to generate it cost about just a little over $4 million it will generate is high as three megawatts. And that would take care of Ah, maybe a total city

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of like Cloverdale which would be very nice, but it will return probably 6 to $700,000 a year. So ah, the repayment of the whole total facility will be, uh, probably 6 to 7 years. And then the benefits will go to the water users in Sonoma County,

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not to the It won't be for the repayment of Warm Springs. Damn, it's really a fantastic site up there. And it's a fantastic place for for all you people in the county to visit. If you haven't done that, that that is a really beautiful something. For

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one thing, it's beautiful, Nick. One quick question before we take a pause here. How we doing on the job in the new general plan? I think we're doing very well, Reggie. I think that at first it was very controversial. I think people realize with growth and

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the traffic and only the impacts, it's been created in the last 10 years. With the amount of growth that's taken place in Sonoma County, people are willing to look a stricter general plan and that's what we're really coming forward with. And, uh, toe look it to

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make sure that the infrastructure is there to carry the growth, and I think that's important. And that's an area where City of Santa Rosa got into a little bit of trouble with a growth factor in in the last few years with their sewer system. Uh, you've

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got to have that infrastructure to carry that type of development and it wasn't there, so it makes it a little bit tough. But anyway, with the planning commission went through 18 months of torture addressing that general plan, now it's before the board, and I hope that

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within another 30 to 45 days we will be able to adopt it. And, uh, the controversy has gone, were able to sit there and work on it several days a week. And I think the end product will be acceptable. Have a good land use plan for

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to retire from life for your continuing good health from the American Medical Association. Welcome back to this edition of Saddam account In the eighties, we're talking to Nick S Pastilles, the supervisor for the fourth District in Cinema County. Nick has been on the boards serving his

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third term. It's actually his 11th year on the board that we've been talking about the Board of Supervisors actions and also some of the things that air near a dude and Nick himself, Uh, which is War Fringe Dam in the town of Windsor Community Windsor, which

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may be a city one of these days. One of the things that you introduced last year and I'm curious to know how you're doing is a temporary farmworker housing. Now, what have you done about that, or how was I going? Well, I I've been working on

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that quite regular, uh, rich. There's a lot of problems with it. There's some state laws that, uh, have affected the program. Uh, but we're moving along, and I'm looking towards the possibility of changing with state law to allow for a smaller square footage of of sleeping

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quarters for bunk style. Well, my house is at the moment people sleep practically under the bridge. Yeah, so this is really an alternative to that. And, uh, there's there's the California Rural Legal Association that is not really happy with the dropping the square footage on sleeping

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quarters. But like, it's like I tell them the alternative is sleeping under the bridge. And I'd like to I'd like to correct that situation. I think that we have something that we can offer that is unique, maybe to Sonoma County in in order to come up

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with bunkhouses dining sites, kitchen dining sites separate, of course, and also shower and bath houses. Uh uh, toilet facilities. And this is this is a real problem with a farming community and not all the growers. The small girls especially, can provide those kind of services under

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the existing law. So I'm trying to change that. So that weaken get all the growers to participate. Now, if they're not willing to, uh, come off of their position in the California Rural Legal Association, then we may have to look at a different avenue. And that

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would be looking at maybe some tax credits for the farming community to develop, uh, some acceptable housing that would provide for the seasonal farmworkers. And I think those were all good possibilities, and I'm going to get there. We're going to see some some units developed, Ah,

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by this harvest season, but not as many as I think we'd like to, because I'm not sure I can accommodate the small grower at this point, and I know the larger growers can handle it, but we have to look at all of them as an overall

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picture. And I think that, uh, if we can take care of the small individual, we're in good shape. That's good to know that I wish you all the luck in the world with that because it sure is needed, Nick. Another problem that exists for everyone. Let

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me let me comment on that, too, because one of the other areas that has been a concern is the permitting process. Oh, that's been a nightmare between building Department of Public Works, our public health and, uh, the planning department and I finally got them together and

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they're sitting down and working out a formula and their ah conditions that they can give you over the counter and you go out and take care of those areas of their concerns and come back and pick up Ah, permit over the counter. And this is what

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we're really after. And we're gonna get there. We could pass that perfect process. Who be business. It's a tough area, don't you? When I was going to say is another thing that really breaking us up this way is Highway 101 away from well, traffic all over

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the Bay Area, but certainly from San Francisco, up to two less to Santa Rosa, which is part of your district on the North End. But it's getting, I guess that's extending on up. How is that affecting you in your district? What say or will it affect

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you crunch on? Well, yes, it's it's it's moving northward. Uh, it's it's getting to the point where we're gonna find were having problems in Windsor, and, uh, I think that later you'll see it move the the Healdsburg. I think it will take a long time to

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get to Cloverdale. But nevertheless, with the amount of development to the north end of the county and along the court, or you're going to see some additional traffic congestion and, you know, we've taken steps to ah purchased the right away railroad right away, clear to Healdsburg.

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At this point, E think one day we're gonna have to go clear to the county line. But, uh uh, we'll need some federal financial help on that, but we've We've got the first step of that in the process. Marin County has been successful in negotiating about

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10 miles. I think right away there. We've got about 40 miles that I believe will get an option on within the next few months, and we'll be on our way to solving some long range problems in the future. We shouldn't let that right away. Get away.

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We're not gonna be able to come up with us another program to eliminate all the problems immediately. But I think the next issue will be a sales tax that we can go out and participate in with the state. Teoh put on another lane on the freeway.

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I remember a couple of decades ago they said four lane highway through Sonoma County will last forever, but they should have said that for Rivers a lot shorter. It used to be all right. That's right. Now here's Brooke is starting to feel it. You say I

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will go over Windsor and Hughes Bird will. And from here in the Rohnert Park, it's a message. Well, you know, I went to the, uh, groundbreaking of the Golden Gate Bridge district's promotion that they had here a few years ago and looking over some of the

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articles and some of the complaints, and that people were complaining about if that bridge was built, it was going to open a northern California and especially Marin Sonoma, Mendocino County, and surely did Oh, boy, they were right about that once. Right? Uh, you appoint quite a

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number of people to boards and commissions as a supervisor that your task dress. Ah, Do you have any criteria? How do you determine who you appoint to this commission of that commission? Well, you know, if you're going to have an egg committee to address agriculture in

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Sonoma County, you tryto try toe, go to the Farm Bureau and zero in Onze and people that, uh, are very active within that community s so that when I need some information or some direction, I know that I can count on what I'm hearing and move

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on and make a good decision based on what I'm told, You know, we have to. We serve the public and we have to be informed, and we're not experts in every field, so we need all the help we can get it. We have maybe 65 70

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appointments on different boards and commissions, so it really, really gives us a helping hand. Most of those in an advisory committee and you rely on that. Sarah permission. Right. Okay, what we talked about, I want to go about getting maybe half a cent of the present

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sales tax from the state, and so doing if we were able to alleviating our problems in Sonoma County, But what do you think the possibility of a sales tax initiative is? Well, you know, I think that we could go ahead with the sales tax initiative for

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additional monies towards transportation. I think the people of Cinema County would buy that at this point. Because we are suffering on roads, there's no doubt about it. And, uh, there are other services and mandates that we do have to provide people. And until that situation is

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taken care of, Ah, you cut back on the roads and ah, we're beginning to lose the road base. And if we do that, then we really have problems. So I think that yes, I think the people will support us with a sales tax, a one cent,

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1% additional sales tax for a specific program. And I think that has to be very specific, uh, to sell it to the people and as long as they know where the money is going, I think we'll go ahead with it. I think the day of the

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carte blanche tax raise and trust us to do it with happen. Ongoing. Now you're right. So but for earmarked for a specific purpose like that. And heaven knows on highway system, uh, needs some attention. That's right. Quick. Okay, A couple of other things. We got a

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few minutes left to us. Here. Run of me is that you have been elected to supervisor in three times. So you and your levity or you're serving your third time. Now, this is your 11th year, and you have 1/12 year. And what happens and what happened?

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Well, I'm looking at another term. Really? Yeah. I think that, uh, I've, uh I've had a lot of support within the district. And as long as that support is out there and, uh, they're willing to back me, I'm willing to work. No, I think that's true,

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Nick. And I think it's fair to say, without being political at all that in your tree terms as supervisor three times you put your name before the public. You have been very successful and coming up with the 65% arm or the boat practically every time. And

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that is considered in the political field, a very substantial majority and its trumpets of having a yes, I have been very pleased with that, you know, and I worked hard again, and that's the rewards, I think, for working hard because the past history of my district,

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you know, I was, uh uh, the last individual that got 1/3 term in this district was elected back in 1935. That's hard years 18 35. But we were here. That's in 18 56. So I felt very good about that. You should really, because you have had

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been putting office and returned office by a substantial majority, were down to about a moment. And, um, how do you feel the county's cooperation? The city's works out well in the past, it hasn't been as good as it it should have been. And I think that

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that's an area that needs a little work. And and I think this year Janet Nicholas is our new chairman Chairperson, I should say, and I think that she's gonna make it a point Teoh try to build on working closer with the, uh, the eight cities in

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the county. I think that is important because we all share some common problems inside a little Janet Nicholas Rest to be present with Nick and I. But she was ill, so she was going to visit with us at a future date. Nick, we're just about out

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of time. I want Oh, thank you personally for taking my busy schedule coming over. What? You're always gonna appreciate it. I think this is great. I do two to inform the people of Cinema County that it's great to have the border supervises available, such as your

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people. That's one thing about this board. I found them accessible. Always. And that's something that you'll become. OK, thank you. Thank you. I'm sure. Elder appreciate your national works about the painting. I hope so. There's no doubt about it. Ladies and gentlemen, we bet Nicolas Pastilles,

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the supervisor for the fourth District Sonoma County is our guest today. My name is Richman. Plenty. The program is Sonoma County in the eighties. I'll be back with you next week with another member of the county government family. And until then, good night. Good luck and

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good health to each and every one of you. No