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Sonoma County. The chosen spot of all the earth as far as nature is concerned, according to the famed plant wizard Luther Burbank Diverse County, with 1,010,000 acres of land on 1574 miles of scenic roadways, the county is rightfully famed for its agriculture did a culture, industry

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and recreation, as well as for the amazingly successful ethnic and economic mixture of its more than 340,000 residents on for the forward looking philosophy of its local governing bodies. Now we invite you to take a closer look at Sonoma County in the eighties with your host,

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Rich McGlinchy. How you doing, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Sonoma County in the eighties. We're gonna be talking to Frank White. Frank E. White is the premier board watcher in Sonoma County. He has been attending the board sessions for several years. He wants in a

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great while, he commends them. Generally speaking, he is aboard critic and, uh, right after we do this show, I may want to go right out and walk into the wings or the propeller of the next aircraft taking off. But on the other hand, I think Frank

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is a very, very interesting person. I think that he serves a very important purpose in reminding the border supervisors of the public input, the public input that should be at these meetings and also his reminder frequently that the Constitution still lives and should be adhered to.

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Um, Frank, it's nice to have you here, Really, thank you very much in fighting. We've been talking about this for a long time. I think it's the area where there's too few people understand what we have in this Constitution. This to me is the second greatest

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document ever written for a blueprint for a man's attempt to re to receive the freedom that everybody is entitled to. When you look at the Constitution and the Bible, they parallel each other and what they are telling the people that they have to do. And it's

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quite interesting to note that both the Bible and the finding fathers told us that you have a document here that gives you the freedoms that's never been achieved before. But you have to safeguard them. You have to fight to maintain the Bible tells you the same

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thing. Now that's a Sfar so I'm gonna go with the Bible direction, but reading both of them, you'll see the similarity to what has been said and attempted. Now, when people look at the Constitution and they should, they realize it's the greatest document ever written and

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that the people who put it together must have been motivated by something besides the man himself. Because when you take 55 people, politicians of the time, they had egos Justus Bigas there cocked hats and each one no doubt have a hidden agenda when he met to

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represent his nation in the preliminary confederation proposal. When you can get 55 men together to write a document that gives absolute freedom to the individual and proposes a document with rights for that individual, then you have to think for yourself somewhere other. For these men to

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be able to do this together with the document that written that gives thes absolute freedoms to the individual, there had to be divine guidance. There's no question in my mind, and when you look at the affect this constitution, despite the times when there was a lack

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of medium communication, the time for news to get around the word of this constitution and the promises gave the people went throughout the world to where people in foreign countries knew that there was hope, a bright future. Because a country called the United States of America

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had said that people should be free from the tire any off. Tyrants should be free from the tire, any of law from those imposed the wills on them and the peoples of the world had this light to guide them in deliberating and it promising the the

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method by which they could obtain the same and by their attempts to come to America to realize part of this dream. All right, you are a constitutionalist, and you're probably the man that I know who is most familiar with all aspects of the Constitution. And I

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know that you study it constantly. Has the separation of powers function? Did you believe it should in the Constitution? No. This is one of the sad parts off what has taken place in the past 60 years. The separation of powers was the establishment by the Founding

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fathers to keep government in the background. Government at no time was given Eddie the way at all to take over the government or in any sense, to take more than what the Constitution gave them as their powers to operate. This was one of the things in

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the our preliminary discussions about a central government. The founding father says this government must be kept small and without powers. Therefore, we will devise a mean that will separate the powers and keep the government in the small area of controls that they should have, whereby the

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Constitution will be there guiding light. Okay, now, the separation of powers were talking about executive, judicial and legislative. Yes, go ahead. Right now, if we take a look at the judicial system and my friends in the bar association are going toe like this discussion. But this

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is an organization judicial system today not in our for a founding fathers day, but today this is a union off lawyers. The bar association does not permit any discussion of law or what they call the practice of law undressed. They control it. All avenues of law

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are controlled by the bar association And ask the people in the bar become politically active in their party and the association. When judgeships come up, they are automatically placed in the position of having the first choice becoming a judge. This means that there is a political

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debt that is old Now. The people have only a choice of voting for one or two people proposed by the bar association and their cohorts and the special interests that are always behind politicians and see that their controls are not disrupted by some judge who might

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revert to the Constitution and making decisions. Well, doesn't a judge have to be an attorney? I guess. Hey, can't a person can't practice the law unless he pays his union dues when he has to be trained as an attorney, right by training? I don't understand. That

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passes the bar, right? Yes, but our founding fathers said no, a person could be a judge, and we have a lot of judges. I believe we had a cream court justice. There is no reason that a lay person I cannot read the Constitution to make a

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determination of law because law is very simple. We only have basically two paragraphs in regards to law, and that is common law and biblical law. Common law merely means the man's word is a contract, and the 2nd 1 is if you, you cannot violate someone else's

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right or encroach on his property now, all basic, were you? You evidently questioned your law throughout here, right? I questioned today's law the way it is being foisted onto the people. I don't believe any branch of the government should be given to private enterprise, which the

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judicial system is. It is bar association membership right through into the Constitution. The law is the greatest thing that people have. I respect the law. I admire it. I'm only sorry that I didn't start out and go into law. I wouldn't have lasted long. I'm sure

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the bar would have thrown me out. But yes, I think the law is wonderful in the reading of the Constitution and what rights we have. I don't know whether you would have lasted long or not, because there's been many, many Mavericks who are trained lawyers and

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practicing lawyers were talking about the Hallinan's and the bell eyes of these people who are lawyers, but by the same token, they certainly haven't followed the issue and cry of the average judicial person right? We don't I recognize the background of the Hala Man's coming from

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San Francisco. I know in the labor movement are well aware of what they did and the causes they undertook toe to fight. But at no time did they ever fight the bar association and the mechanism that they have in the bar Association for Judgeships, Judgeships. This

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is what worries me. Judgeships comes from politics, and where politics is concerned, people are going to suffer. And let me point out, Wait a minute. Only to a degree, Um, judgeships are appointed in most cases to start with, but they have to stand for re election

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every four or six years. That's when the public has a right to either push them out of office or retain them in office. So I don't see how you could say that judgeships are strictly political. Let me point out a very simple fact of life. There

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is no attorney going to run against on incumbent judge because then you're violating. They do it every four years around how they're not. Yes, they do only when there's an opening. Do you know you're absolutely wrong. I can show you the last four or five elections

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where one judge Rayburn's Lost because of other George Tansil challenged him and defeated him. That's one example is it doesn't like that. No, I would question, but I don't want it get into a dispute over that thing. I just want you. What I know about attorneys

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is they don't dare run against an incumbent judge, because if they do and they practices in an area where he challenged the judge, the old boy gathering closes down and he'll have a hell of a time practicing now. These in my opinions, of course, I realize

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that, but I do it sincerely, and I do a value your opinions very much. I do distribute with you wholeheartedly on that, because as a public information after the county for the last 20 years, I have seen at least six or eight attorneys challenge and defeat

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incumbent judges. Having that they don't do it is completely wrong. Here they have the backing off the bar and the politicians of what you said a moment ago. They don't do it. And there was some question about the judge's ability to perform its duties. Going to

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take it to Judge John Moskowitz was very highly regarded jurist in the county and the state wide lost an election to I believe it was to Ryan Jamaar about eight years ago, And that was because an attorney challenged a judge. And if they did it, nothing

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wrong with either one of them. Right now, I don't want I want toe Go on. There's so much to say here that I went out of one and point out one thing and regards to judgeships, and that's a Supreme Court. The Supreme Court judgeships was not

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determined on the basis of the person's ability to interpret the Constitution. It was based on what his social background and decisions had been. They would not accept a man that had a background in interpreting the law. According of the Constitution, That was Bork. Well, Mark two

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and you can talk about that in a minute. But when you talk about the superior Supreme Court, then you're strictly talking about political appointees. I say that, you know, I'm just differentiating between that and the locally elected judges, the, uh uh, I'm not going to get

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in this thing because there's so much to say. We even haven't started on her right, So people are yet, and there's so much to be said. But there is no separation between that. And let me give you the legislative branch. Listen, why don't we hold your

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thoughts on that for just a moment? Because we don't have to take a break for public service announcement would come back. And when we do come back, also want you to discuss the fact that the Constitution does or does not protect the right to the people.

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An interesting addition and we're talking to Frankie White. He's the premier board watcher. The borders to providers in Sonoma County there every week, eat, appraising occasionally or criticizing decisions that he think or not in the best interest of the people. Now we're gonna talk to Frank

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in just a moment. But before we do, we'd like to call your attention to the artwork in studio and behind me, you'll see the fabulous Matter War Man O War, considered the greatest, the greatest thoroughbred in racing history by most people. And over on the right

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of your screen behind our guest, Mr White, you see another one, and this is called Big Red, who, incidentally, was mad awards favorite nickname Big Red and ghosts behind him and their two models pizza of equal in art. We thank Joe Hoffman for letting us bring

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them into our studio so you could view them. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna go back to talking to Frank White and Frank, Uh, you mentioned earlier the first and Ninth Amendment just briefly and the 14th Amendment. What you talk a little bit about thes

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the First Amendment is the one that gives the people a basic unalienable right. Peace, freedom, property, press In the confederation off issue, they realize that what hey had said about the people's rights was not sufficient. And even though they had signed the confederation of proposal, they

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opened it up in order to increase the rights of people. And this is the area that is under attack today. And people have no knowledge off What the intent of the Congress Waas Now, the first the First Amendment's give us that gives us that basic right.

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Everyone knows. And they all believe this is if this is the way this country works. It is not. It gives us free speech. See them of the pressure. Had the girl we wait Your next word? These were the basic, the basic things in the Constitution that

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was given to the people. But nine was added to the this Constitution and which it said all rights not given to the the federal government were writes return by the people. Now, even though they had only mentioned three rights, they opened up all other rights to

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the people under the Section nine of the Constitution. Now this mess that people had to understand that their rights were rights given to them as a person, they had this as a person no one could take their personal right away from. It wasn't something given by

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an outside force, but because they were a person, they had the freedom of rights. This meant that no one could infringe on those rights or encroach on their property. They were free to do as they please, so long as they did not harm other people are

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infringe on their rights. Now we have to interpret this in regards to what is happening today. Was there a question that you had rich? No. I'm talking about the 14th Amendment. You coming to that? Now? I'm going to come to that 14 because that's most important.

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But but let me say people do not have rights that force other people that pay for those rights that they desire. In other words, for instance, because we have a transit system that some people use, those users do not have the right under the Constitution to

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force me to pay for those that transit system because someone else wants to use it. I could go right down the line in regards to jobs, the rights of an employer to hire the employees that is best suited for that employer, the best productive person he

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confined there is to me, there is no rights of a minority minority person saying I am a minority. Therefore, I should have a right over ah capable person. The right of association is guaranteed to us also, and I don't see infringe on now when we get

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to the 14th Amendment, this is, to me the most interesting, an important amendment that there is because seemingly that reaffirms the rights of people. But basically that wasn't the purpose of that amendment. At this short time, I'm gonna have to go fast. This amendment eliminated the

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rights of the nation, states the control, their government one they introduced this resolution, saying that the states shall do certain things now. The war had ended between the states. Lincoln had signed the proclamation ending the war in 18 61. The announcement had been made that the

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this wasn't the in an insurrection, but it was a fight for constitutional rights. This amend was passed over the vetoes of the president Johnson. At that time, it was passed over and violation of the constitutional demands created by the Constitution in regards to how this should

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be done and when it should be done. It was the Constitution was violated in that they took the rights of the president or wave to the side. Hot was to be done. This amendment was passed without going to the president so that there was a big

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question off how they could do this Now. The reason it was passed was because certain states had said no, we're not going to pass the 14th Amendment 11 states. So when they saw that they couldn't pass it with the 11 states saying no. Then they announced

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that by military force they were going to, uh they were going to believe the elected people in the legislators of those 11 states and put in military people and a new group of people that was selected by the Army to, uh, to a pass this amendment.

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It has to be recognized twice. They had asked these states to pass amendments one they had passed and this other one they refused to do until the military Remittance. We need the people. They violated the Constitution. A Constitution in the ex post facto area of, uh,

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a law passed after the fact. In order to do this, it's difficult to explain this, except that they violated the Constitution right from the start. Well, it is on, and I should have realized with the subject of this nature where you can can't begin to get

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it in, we got about three or four minutes left. In your opinion, have you any concerns about any other amendments? Oh, yes. I have a lot of concern Right now. I have a lot of concern about the State Department giving away five islands that belong to

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the United States, the Soviet Russia, with billions of barrels of oil and gas underneath that the Constitution says that Congress shall have control over lands of the United States. Congress has to do this, but the the State Department says no, we're going to give it away.

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Another concern I have is in regards to the passage of the income tax, which was passed illegally. And I'm going to I'm going to shock you on this one. Ohio is not a state of the United States. Under the Constitution, they Congress, in order to try

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and straighten this out, passed a ex post facto law in 1953 declaring that in 1918 02 Ohio was a state. But Ohio couldn't be a state under the Constitution because they had not passed a Republican type of constitution which gave the people the right to to

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declare a constitution. But Congress and night 18 53 past this income tax law. And it wasn't legal because the man who signed a tap was a resident of the territory of Ohio. So if you look at the Constitution and what has taken place and realize that

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some things are beyond comprehension, this is why I'm interested on the more you look at what has been done, the more you get disturbed. Well, I think one of the things you may be doing it. I program this evening. I'm sorry. We had a number of

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other things I want to ask you here, and our time goes so rapidly. But I think one of the things that you were accomplishing is intriguing people with the statement you're making, which incidentally, I want you to know we're not. The vision are not the opinions

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of post middle cable or some of the opinions of Frankie White. But I really do believe that you probably are peaking people's curiosity and their interest. And if you're that doing that on your getting them to go and look at the Constitution, you will have been

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accomplishing a great deal. Here, let me say, this is one thing that I hope is accomplished that the view was will say this guy is nuts, but I wish they would either asked there No, they're assembly man. Yes, nuts. No state senator for a Constitution. Or

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ask your senator or congressman for the Constitution and read the Constitution and have your Children read it and have someone go into the background of each one of these laws that were written to protect the people. You'll find out that we, the people, do have control

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of our government. That is out of control. All we have to do is put it back in together. But if the people will do this and if the people will ask their schools, teach the meaning of the Constitution and how these laws have been violated. This

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this is one thing that, uh, I would like to see accomplished. I would like to see more people raising hell like I do. And they got to the Constitution. Of course, these this is my opinion and I don't think they're too far wrong. I think there'll

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be a lot of people after reading the Constitution and understanding it, they'll say it's about time someone said, Hey, let's go back toe whether it should be And I do thank you. And I thank the station while giving me this opportunity to, uh, to not only

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expand but to view my belief in the greatness of America and the Constitution, Right? Pleasure to have you here if you would like. I like very much to have you back again sometime soon, and we'll go on this, but we'll try to limit our conversation to

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certain areas so you can make your point. But I do appreciate it. And I do share your belief in the Constitution. Ladies and gentlemen, we're talking to Frank E. White, the premium board watcher of Sonoma County. My name is Richman. 22 programs, Sonoma County in the

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eighties. I'll be back with you next week. Same time another member of the county government family. And until then, good night could help. Good luck to you all.