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Sonoma County chosen spot of all the earth as far as nature is concerned, according to the famed plant wizard Luther Burbank Diverse County, with 1,010,000 acres of land on 1574 miles of scenic roadways, Sanoma County is rightfully famed for its agriculture did a culture, industry and

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recreation, as well as for the amazingly successful ethnic and economic mixture of its more than 340,000 residents on for the forward looking philosophy of its local governing bodies. Now we invite you to take a closer look at Sanoma County in the eighties with your host, Rich

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McGlinchy. How you doing, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Sonoma County in the eighties. We're gonna be talking Teoh to members of our county government family, our county administrator, Tom Coughlin on the left year screen, and Ernie Carpenter, fifth District supervisor. And he's on the right

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of your screen. These two gentlemen were with us once before, and we had several requests for them to come back. They wanted to know more about what they thought, I guess. Ernie, how are you, Tom? Nice to have you back turning. Let's start with you and

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will jump back and forth. Gentlemen, without question, earn your in the seventh year of your term of supervisor the fifth District. In your opinion, one of the aboard major accomplishments during that time start right out with tough question. Well, that's it's difficult over seven years, But

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one of the thing that pleases me most is getting rid of some of the major litigation that been filed against a county like Russian River sanitation and the jail litigation. And although we're not entirely through with those, we've passed few milestones along the way, and it

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feels pretty good now not to have toe talk about those subjects every week. There a lot of small things that we've done, like entirely retrofit all the sheriffs of vehicles with new radios and put repeaters up something people don't I know about. It was a great

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value during the flood and some of the other problems we had in the county, and I'm rather proud of strong stand that our board has taken on offshore oil. We still don't have oil wells off the coast there, still threatening us, and I probably could talk

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for a while, but I want that someone giving toe. So that's very dear to your heart. Well, that's during a lot of people throwing the county's hard, if you will. There's a great number of people who certainly agree what you're thinking along those lines. I think

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practically everybody in these coastal counties a little upset about this and you say That's putting it mildly. But how do we stand on the other? Were you holding our own so far? Well, we're into a new five year Outer Continental Shelf plan, which the secretary of

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the Interior Donald Hotel, is released. It basically opens up the California coast, Teoh Wholesale Leasing and certainly Snowmen. County Coast is included in that. The board has joined the state and other entities in litigating that plan Because of the deficiencies in it, it's ah, it's a

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battle that will go on for a while. We're hoping that changed administration will bring some changes in the political winds Ernie have really enjoyed for two terms. Have you had any regrets? I enjoy it. Uh, it's demanding. It takes a lot of time and you do

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have to have a healthy respect for the public, and you have to put your hours, and it's not something that you can one day just walk away from. And I think your office is gonna take care of itself, because it doesn't. But I think I've enjoyed

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it. I don't have any regrets. The test for me is I try and look ahead and think. Now, if I look back 15 years, will I regret having given up this much time public service? And so far the answer has been No, I frankly have enjoyed

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it. A top over you, you're you're in your third year now is our Sonoma County administrator. And that would mean, obviously, that you're now administrating your third county budget. Now in general, what's happened, fiscally since you took over at 85? Well, it's definitely been very exciting.

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Things have changed dramatically in that time period. Uh, probably the major things have been the difficulty of continuing services, the very basic services required by the citizens of Sonoma County. With declining revenues, many people have read about the problems we've had with adequate monies from the

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state for programs they required us toe to implement. And then we've had some unique problems in Cinema County do Teoh some revenue losses. Predominantly tied Teoh Geothermal Revenue base. That's the property talks for us that was tied to the oil price reduction. So we've had some

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very, very difficult times with the last two budgets and making sure that the board could maintain the basic services that are necessary within the revenues that were available. Yeah, that's been a tough, tough job. You know, Tom, I don't know if you can remember these figures

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exactly or not. But what was the total budget in 85 86 sort of what were the top priorities as you came into the job? That point is, I recollect, I think it was about 100 and $70 million budget for the county. Uh, that's not really a

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good, accurate figure, because the when I initially came here, the auditor controller and I wanted to make some major changes in the budget. There were some accounting, uh, techniques that would make the budget more representative of what was really going on. But the priorities at that

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point in time, I think again the board was striving to maintain roads, roads, deal with the transportation issues, general services based on growth has. You know, cinema count has been growing three or 4% a year annually, and that's that's a big population increase, and it's very

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difficult to keep those services maintained. In addition, we had to state at that point that was continuing to demand. Maurin Mawr Services, through mandated programs on the board, was forced to try to maximize the local revenues that we have our property taxes and sales taxes to

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meet a lot of those needs. And in actuality, if you compare that to where we're at now, it hasn't changed a whole lot. Some of the priorities on the key programs have, but it's still that basic problem of every year. Try to balance the resource is

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to the needs. I wasn't that about the time we really got hit with demand to build the jail or actually get started on it. I think that was going on even before I came here. Of course, I came in October of 85 a lot of that

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had already occurred at that point. But that's been one of the key priorities for the last two years, of course, is making sure that we could staff the jail appropriately, getting the financing mechanisms to make sure we could build it. I think the decision when I

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came here to build the jail was pretty much accomplished that when it was more the implementation of how to do it and how to get it done. All right. Now, let's jump ahead to this year. We've just concluded recently the budget for 87 88 if in

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general, once again estimates or find the total involved their money wise. And what are the key priorities? Would you say in this coming here, the budget this year will be approximately $240 million? Uh, that's compared to the two years ago, the number of referenced earlier the

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priorities. This year, I think the board again was striving to maintain the services needed related to growth. Criminal justice systems have continued to drain a far greater portion of the dollars that the board has available. Aides for Sonoma County has become a very major issue, and

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we were able to put some major emphasis on that. The one on one transportation quarter has taken a lot of activity, although there's not been a lot of money dedicated to it. It's more problem of trying to deal with the federal government, state government. They continue

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to try to abdicate their responsibility and forced local government to pick up their responsibilities. Uh, the insurance crisis. It has been a major, major issue, Uh, and we've had some very significant reductions and services, although we've been pretty fortunate maintaining services. But there have been have

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been reduced services. Just do the lack of available money. One other thing here with I feel like You before as a couple more questions in the past, We, along with about 57 other counties and see sex for that matter, have pleaded with the state government to

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stop mandating programs without funding the programmes. Now, have we had any effect on the state? Is his problems still existed? It's still there. This year was probably one of the most successful years we've had. There were several several platforms that were put forth by Sea Sack

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to California Supervisors Association, and we had several legislatures. Legislators help us in that regard, and probably one of the key things that came up is a night um called stabilisation, one of the key areas in the county government is workload tie to programs like welfare programs

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or court programs, where the caseload continues to increase its called caseload driven programs. And the state has finally recognized that, and we'll try to give some credit to counties in dollars for that type of increase. Another major issue that was ah resolve this year is trial

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court financing. County government has to provide all the support structure for the courts, both the Super Superior Court and the municipal courts. And this year there, there is a approval of a financing package that will occur next year to help relieve that the state actions that

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are favorable than the ones you've just mentioned. Now there any other actions on the part of state their favorable for the county's plate? These these probably the major ones, ones I just highlighted now. But I also you know, you have to realize that's taken about four

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years to have those occurred. And, you know, many people don't realize that counties are different than cities. We we provide many more services than the basic police fire type services. And, in fact, probably 80% of what county government does is state required, state mandated. We are,

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in essence, an arm of the state of California, and many people don't realize that they tend to think of counties more like cities. Eso we are definitely tied in with the state, and that's been the problem in the past. The state has required us to do

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things and unfortunately, didn't provide the dollars to make sure they could get done. You know one thing. I want to die grass. Just a moment. One of the things that I work with the Public Information Officers Association of California for the last 18 years and one

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of the things that we've dedicated ourselves to do a long time ago was to try to identify county government better in the eyes of the public. And we haven't succeeded nearly as well as I'd like, but but we have had made some inroads. What we've tried

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to do is take county government out of the category of being the dark continent of government Seaport. Seems like people would be moderately familiar with the study that they were living in, and they knew the state government moderately well and then to the federal government, now

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even the regional. But unfortunately they were not aware of what the county government was offering them. They call the county and want to get the county Board of Equalization, which happens to be a state office. And over the years, we've tried and tried and we've had

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some effect. Not nearly as much as we like to identify county government as the source of most of the services in a given county. I sure and he knows far better now. He's been out speaking, you know, many, many times on this, But the general level

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of understanding of county government is pretty minimal. People don't don't really understand the total gamut of services that we do provide it something eventually we will, I hope, accomplish and for the benefit of you and you, everybody else that works so hard. Now you said a

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while ago about supervises. One thing I think people are, you know, if you're not familiar with what the supervisor doesn't and I mean this very sincerely, there's none of that worked less than 70 hours a week. I mean that sincerely, there at the office, there at

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their district areas, there at meetings constantly and they've got problems in their area. It's a real problem for them, and they they do put in the time. And this goes back with all the supervisors that I've ever worked with. And earnings is a perfect example. He's

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a career constantly dealing with problems in his area, so I think we should really appreciate the effort that they do put forth. That is a time consuming job. Believe me, one of the continuing problems you've had, I know her and in your district has been the

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use of the Russian River to carry waste matter. I know that's a touchy subject. Now. What's the present status on this problem? Well, it's It's not as touchy is, uh, somehow become an expert in the wastewater disposal or effluent disposal or whatever you want to call

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it. But the status at the moment is that Santa Rosa is still in the environmental impact of they have certified environmental impact, but they're in the a state of choosing a project, and we gave it a run for an irrigation Marsh Bay project, which would have

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reclamation is the basis of it and make a positive use of the waste water. Some of the requirements that was that were imposed by the Bay Board or a little difficult for Santa Rosa to meet. So I think now it's gonna be a test to their

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perseverance. The Russian River, it's just not available, is a major, ah, source of waste water. We're not going toe toe happen. I'm trying to be diplomatic here. I could say a lot, you know, in some ways I've come to the position that Santa Rosa is incapable

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of managing their system and that until there's some fundamental change in the attitude of City Hall, until people there began to respect and understand the viewpoint of others, we probably will not get through this problem. The consequences are gonna be severe both for Santa Rosa City

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Hall speaking about and the and the consumers. The rates will just keep going up. I don't think you gonna even imagine how many millions of dollars have been spent so far were in the neighborhood of $35 million. There's not a solution to this problem, and frankly,

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that shouldn't be allowed to happen. Right? Gentlemen, Time to pause for a couple of public information messages from the station, after which Tom Shop Lynn and I and Ernie Carpenter will come back. We'll talk more about local government. What is this place, anyway? I don't know.

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you don't know what's going on, it's time to get an education. Welcome back to a very special edition of Cinema Champion eighties. We have our county administrator, Tom Shop Front on the left of your screen and our fifth district supervisor, Ernie Carpenter, on the right here

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screen. And we are talking about county government, some of the problems that exist, some of the things that are being done about them. Honey, when we left a minute ago, I wanted to get to this and I didn't get to the question in time. But we

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will now transportation this. I mean traffic on 101 and our county regional transit systems. Now how do we stand? Would you say on these two concerns? Well, I think it will continue to be a volatile issue for probably the next decade. There's several facets to it

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right now. There's a lot of attention focused on the 101 corridor, and I believe that we've been a little bit delinquent in this county and getting our needs on the priority list or something called a state transportation improvement plan of STIPP List. And Marin County has

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been very successful in getting major construction projects. I think what we need to do here is to stop planning so much and start moving politically towards expanding the freeway is the first step, at least between Rohnert Park and Santa Rosa. Most of the problems that we

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have in the county seem to occur in that area. I don't know if in 10 years time you will see a new expansion of any other part of the freeway between here and say Nevado, I'm sure there will be some corrective actions. It's another case where

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there's too many problems in too little money. I could talk about this for a long time, but I know for time but you. But it's a bear of a problem. Well, you know, it's Marin County now is trying toe. I will talk about a little bit

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more. But Marin County is trying to push a Sonoma County into the position of 1/2 cent sales tax increase in order to dress the one on one problem. But you see, there are North South corridor problem. We have many East West problems. You take Highway 12

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or Grabenstein Highway 1 16 your name several of them. But one of the issues is the right away, and the planet's envisioned by this planning committee at this point is that you go to the Northwest Pacific right away. Take some form of rapid transit to Marie

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and get off. Get on the bus across the Golden Gate Bridge, get off, get on another bus and take it to your office. And certainly that's not gonna work. So I think the planning it is somewhat pie in the sky, but we have some very, very

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Jermaine problems to snow my county that we need to address a little more rapidly whether pressing question how about are very, very expensive county jail. It's been underway for some time now, and I know it was Tom been with us for two years, but like you

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say that we actually got started planning for these things ahead. And how is it coming right now? Well, I think it's going along very well. We are looking at a $40 million project and it is financed at this moment. You call it expensive, but that's in

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the eye of the beholder. If you don't have to build it, certainly you could divert the money somewhere else. But now that we have to build, it probably comes in in the mid range for jails around California. So I think we've been able to provide state

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of the art jail at a cost that is not greater than average. Certainly. And, uh, we are on schedule, and we hope to have it open and, uh, functioning near the end of next year. Yeah, I like you actually probably qualify the expensive because I know

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what you say is true. It's certainly no more, maybe even less expensive than comparable structures around the state. It's still a massive expenditure that we have to make it this given time. What about 35? $40 million? At least 30. You keep bringing up these issues that

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we could have a whole program helped to an extent way briefly. Transportation. We have jails. Way can only touch. Sure, Tom, how do you see your position? Is a county administrator in regard to the Board of Supervisors and into the county departments, which you direct overall?

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Very difficult, very difficult. Three vote has a nice wired. He does very well, very, very well. Basically, the role of the administrator, I think, is to the Board of Supervisors established policy. They determine which direction they want to go, how they want to counter to proceed

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which programs they want done. My role is predominantly implementing that they give me direction and they say Go make this work And then my role at the department heads is aiding and assisting them in carrying out the Board of Supervisors direction. So it's probably more of

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ah, facilitating coordinating type, function way do get involved very deeply and assisting the board in policy determinations by giving them the best analysis on the best information we have available for him. Because a lot of the issues facing the Board of Supervisors in Sonoma County, as

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well as all counties, are very, very complex issues, that it takes a lot of work just to try toe focus on the on the real issue. And the key thing I try to do is make sure they know all the alternatives that are available. Then they

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can choose which which one best meets their needs and weaken pursued. Tom Chester department heads. We have a directive. It has no alternative. How do we do it? Wear phonetically? We're going to do it. One of the things done in your opinion. Ceatec County Supervisor Association

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of California Is that a real value of the count to the counties themselves? And if it is how and Windows it served him well. But see Sack, of course, is probably our key contact with the Legislature, the California Legislature, and they attempt to represent county governments

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throughout the state. 58 various counties. The problem see Sac has is you have these Ernie mentioned before a north South type split. You have an East West type split. You have a rural county, urban county split. You have the Metropolitan County. It's just a very, very

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difficult role to try to represent all of those counties. You throw a Los Angeles County in. That is a very, very major block, and it becomes real tough to try toe to get things done. But the key role see Sack does is that liaison. They make

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sure that the Legislature does know about the issues. Do you know about the problems in county government? And generally I think they've been able to do a pretty good job. There's a lot of issues where the county's become splintered and nobody could pull it together. But

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generally they're there in information flow to the Legislature. And they do, I think, an adequate job to make sure they understand. Problem is the quite often the Legislature doesn't really want to understand. They their they're doing the things they want to do, they help, Askew said.

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You management early or some of the things that were favorable in a part of the state Georgia counties, and I think they were instrumental in helping with this was in. See, Sak was in the lead on that, and you know, the Legislature was quite responsive and

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reactive. This year. It's just unfortunate it's taken three or four years toe have that type of success, a couple of things for you, quickly time running out. Small water systems are very numerous in this county. Summer are a real problem. I know you've had your fear

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share up there. What are we doing about this? And what else can we do? Well, my district, which is the West County of mainly on incorporated in a lot of the small water systems, were one inch galvanized pipe that serves summer home. And here we are

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30 years later in the A. Great majority of those homes are owned by year round residents, so you wouldn't think that there would be failing water systems and lack of potable water and Sanoma County. But that's certainly been the case. The state has passed a variety

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of bond issues which allow us to fund the system, so but in order to do that, we've had to create public entities and we've had to do engineering feasibility reports, and then we have to in some cases put together an assessment district, which means the majority

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of the people and in effect, vote to tax themselves. And we have probably addressed a dozen systems by now to upgrade those using combinations of money. And the county Board of Supervisors has made the money available to do the studies on a payback basis, and we

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now are two point after 45 years of working with its with this that two systems have paid us back and for what we have loaned them to get going. And they are, begin the work on replacing their system. And I feel pretty good about that because

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it's a direct service to people they now can turn on their tap in shortly will be able to and have, ah, clean, good Russian River water helpful for, uh, Ernie. Hazardous waste on a safe disposal of same is a big problem for local government. What if

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we don't have laid about this, and what else do we do here? I think the board has tackled the issue directly. It was very clear over the last two years that the Legislature was gonna come out with a lot of mandates for the county. And we

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have formed a hazardous materials management council that Mary's up industry and environmentalists and county officials who are responsible for hazardous waste and were involved in a process of trying to reduce those sources of hazardous waste and to identify them. We do have a couple sites in

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the county that are on the EPA list, that air being addressed in terms of clean up. So I feel that we're we're in front of the wave and we're in a position not to be so reactive. But perhaps we can have some leadership in this area.

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Nothing that I was kind of close to your heart. We're in the process of an update of the general plan, and I know you served on the planning commission before you became a supervisor. What would you say are general aims and goals in this one? Well,

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I think we have to make sense out of where people are gonna live in snow my county, and the only document we have to do that really is the general plan on specific plans to implement that. And given this rapid growth in population and the fact

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that the last general plan that was passed in 1978. What was a compromise document? It's really basically a re look at all of the planning for Cinema County, whether it be transportation in incorporated areas. Noma County, whether it be transportation or zoning, are scenic corridor on.

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Certainly, throughout this process there will be some controversy, but I think it will be a a good, helpful guiding document into the future and give everyone some idea of what's to happen in their neighborhood in their community. Incidentally, we are not going to pave over the

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graves of community hospital trip yard if we find they over there. No, no. Our board has never felt that we should do anything. So crafts is that, frankly have been quite pleased with staff working finding the cemetery up there that I guess was long lost in

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the beginning to identify some of the people who were buried there. And I think what we're gonna try and do is to make a park like setting out of it and bring back some of the the dignity that perhaps lost a long time ago. You're in

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your Senate, dear. A supervisor next year is your eight year during that year, you have to make some very strong decisions. Have you thought about him? Well, I think we've covered many of those decisions today. We've We've kind of scratched the surface, whether it be on

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transportation or toxic through general plan or sewage disposal. You know, the county runs several a dozen different sewage plants. We have some of the same problems on a minor scale. I think Thomas covered Ah, budgeting quite well. It's It's a very complicated affair and government. You

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don't know your cash flow and you don't know your expenditures and they don't come together. Anything point in time. So just keeping on top and managing the additional pressures from growth, I think will be a full time challenge. And hopefully we'll be able to meet it

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directly in the eighties as they progress. Thank you. That's what they're honest Carpenters plans for a few years ahead. Well, I don't know. I think in very strongly of running for 1/3 term. I don't know if I should say that here, but my kickoff is October

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23rd. I'll make my decision that learning in often charity you You've been A. I'm sure you could supervise your district. You redirected to two terms that prove something. Maybe 1/3 in the offing, too. But certainly you spent the time and you've served your constituents well, nigh

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nobody over. That's right here from your congratulations, Tom. Thank you very much for it to be over here. You have a job to. You've got a tough one to come in this year. And next year. Maybe next year might be a little bit better. Hope so.

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Ladies and gentlemen, by special guests on this tradition of Sonoma County gauges have been Tom shop. Little will be left of your screen. The county administrator for Sonoma County and fifth District Supervisor Ernie Carpenter, who is in the latter years of his second term and has

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just indicated that he might even I think about 1/3 term. My name is Rich. McClatchy the program. Sonoma County natives will be back with you next week with other members of the county government, family and a killin So long. Good luck could help