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Belda langdale, you Belda langdale used to do the same thing kimball, I've never heard that word. K I M P S. Yeah that was and then one of the boys when I went to high school with had lived down here and George Virgil and Bonnie, Bonnie

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was her name and temples. Yeah they must have done great great. Can't you just hear school kids making rhymes up with the last name of pimple and pimple and dimple. And who are you? Who are some of your teachers in grammar school? Well when I started

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there was uh huh. Uh huh. Elsie cake and then that would have been before her Children were born I assumed. Yes and then and then she came back again, one was born and yeah and the principal when I graduate was mrs henley and and uh huh.

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Well her name was best for welling as she married. Huh? Should have been it's spell Fluellen F L E W E double L I N G. And she was then became a hob what are some of your memories of grammar school? Yeah. Oh I don't know

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in there I was where we never got go out what used to take all the time. Oh yeah there was four of our brothers and uh tell him four brothers went to school frank and well Willie and Ben and I and we had one lunch pail

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for the four of us and mom would make an omelet in the morning and cut it and forced squares and she made them big, you don't remember the italian bridge. Do you Make make make bread once a week. 12 loaves and they were, they were that

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big in there and they wouldn't well you could eat them all until that sometimes they run out on saturday and sometimes if they did then she'd take the bread dough and she do, she made it with solid on a grade, you know? And then she put

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the bread and she put it in the pan and fried it was like a like a pancake and we go down, we're kind of ashamed of where we go out on the side to eat. And finally some of the kids, what the hell are you eating

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there? You know? And they taste and then when they have and say give me that, give us some of their brain there and no, no dessert and I packed the bucket down and frank can pack it back for the, for for the porter. You got it

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when it was full of uh well we need to get our heads one sandwich. Get to her. Uh did you have the same sandwiches? Well eight years at school and then I'll go to high school. I then I, we had the french bread and I fry

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two eggs And that was no, no dessert. But when I went to dessert, one follow all your grandpa, your grandfather remembered him. I mean open your dad remembered him. It was uh Lawrence nobles. He wouldn't pack his bucket in. He was, he wouldn't play nothing in

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there. When, when he, when he get through eating. He called me and human is his mom would make the lift on Iran on benton lane down and they call it and they call him. And if he had an egg you put an extra an apple an

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orange. And he said here packed my bucket and give me that for doing it. And I did that as long as he went there, you got a little extra something on the uh, that's right. Little change. But we never got no. Then we got, well we

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would play later when mrs Henry got to play basketball. But other than that, why there was never see our class. We never even had an annual one. We graduated. I don't know why times were tough, But we never had and we never had one reunion in

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1926. So equipment, you had to play with school too. Yeah, well we had, we had one bet for the whole bunch and we broke it. We put nails in and taped it. That's all we played in. Uh, no new gloves or nothing. I still remember when

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one of the high school teachers mrs clark, his boy come up there and he took my, I had a glove and I traded a bicycle, An old bicycle for it in there. You know, It was raining up there one day and he took it out and

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playing it out there and outside. That's why I don't mind you playing with it. But I said I don't like to see it get wet and he took him through it right in the mud photo in there. I turned around and hit him once. I shouldn't

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have beat him up. So I just hit it. But it was it was before we walked to practice. Basketball would walk in the night. Even in high school I walked down to high school and practice. That's what kept me in school actually I'd like to play

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basketball after. Otherwise I When I got 16 I'd have quit. But we, well the first year I was stayed home to work on the ranch. You know the harvest and I was five weeks the school was going before I started boy. I know I got down

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there. I never had a study here to all the other kids that I went to school with took that and that's what I had. Well I got my credits but like an mechanical drawing they'd help me you know, but I never got what I should have

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bought it because you know, they know how to feel and all that stuff and I didn't get it and then towards the end why I kind of coasted that. It's pretty easy going in there and I know I, the teacher asked me if I was going

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on to college and I said no, no I'm not not go well I've never had the money anyway. And sometimes they'd want us to go and judge things and they say bring your pajamas and a Suitcase. Well I never, I well I think I was 64.

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I had a suitcase and I never worked with Japanese yet so I didn't get it. But they'd always, then the teacher told me one time he said when I judge, you know in school he said how come you're out here and and you always get top

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marks and judging and then when you go not like we'd have to go down some place to judge and get the top and I'd always go on the bottom. And finally I told him I, well I just didn't have the money or you know, well we

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had mom always had clean clothes. That's one thing we never had fancy clothes. But one thing that she word and and she never went to school and in the old country when she was born, the men went but not the girls and she always, we ever

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knew a plan. Okay way boy the water Beyonce is you, I want you to go to school not to come out like I did, you know, not be able to read her right. I want you to go and she saw that we went there. Uh huh.

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You know, I just listening to you talk about high school reminds me of something that I should tell you. You know about josephine del Sarto going back and getting her high school diploma. Well, I was the one that kind of started that she was the first

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person I ever went to interview and it was a little over about, Well it'll be two years next month. And while I was visiting her, she expressed to me the fact that she'd always wish that she had finished high school and this was her dream in

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her life is to finish high school. And so I went back and talked to the people over at the school and said, why couldn't she come back and finish out high school? Well, The first thing we had to figure out was what was required in high

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school in 1927 when she would have graduated because nowadays the classes are all different than they were then. And it wouldn't be fair, you know, to have her take the classes she would need now because she'd have to take so many. So I didn't know how

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we would be able to figure out what classes had to be taken in 1926. What we did was we dug out out of the old files, some of the report cards of students that went to school about the time she did. And yours was one that

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we pulled out was George Domenichelli and we looked because you were one of the people graduate and we look to see what classes you had. And then we looked at a couple of other people's, but yours is the first one I can remember pulling out and

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that's how we figured out what joe should take was because we were following your report card. You know, just happened to have just happened to remember that. What did you do after high school George? Well I went right to work on the ranch and another place

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uh and other places besides. Well you had to work out besides the ranch. You know when we had, we had to get out when I wasn't busy otherwise the ranch wouldn't pay enough. You know, we were paying the ranch off and when kelly and I got

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it released it from my mother, dad passed away and she couldn't give us any more otherwise she couldn't make the payments. See until it was paid for. We had a pretty rough go in there and I worked, I never worked what, I've worked some nights I'd

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work on the ranch and I'd go down there and work in the winery until midnight and then get up in the morning and go to work what winery gather Northern Sonoma down here. And then I'd worked with work in the apples and para sheds and and

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then when later after they quit. Well when Baron Gray, that's where Rose used to come up. He was, he was pretty well up in that nice boy and in fact Ray and I killed him a buck and took it down to him, a nice deer when

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he was down. Yeah, he was, he was a nice boy. Not while he was not a boy anymore, but I mean I'd go down, take us down and go down to the cannery and that's where I did go around. But I never traveled much. I never

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went, I was 16 years old for I went to San Francisco. You know, I never went went in much. Well I didn't care to go really in there. Did your dad die in san Francisco? Yes. Well when he died out, Well you died, I'd give a

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heart attack when we had this winery built this winery up here. The fellow dad gave the the uh, permit for the name price down there. Had to check there. And we made the wine a year before the winner was built. We made it with Mazzone. That

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would be my uncle. You know. Then the wind didn't go there and he wanted to move, I don't know why we went after getting the stick and we got it up here too. We want it moved out of there. So for his grapes. So the guy

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said, well everything's in order. Go ahead and move it down see. And we moved it down there. And I guess the report went in that it moved from here to there. And I was, I think the boys went out and I was there one day and

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for a come up and sit down from the federal, he said this is wine rest of those lost to dad and he said, well I want to go in there. And he said you moved wind down when you shouldn't have. So he got all the corks

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and he put a string over and put the wax and put his seal on it. So we went down to that foot, I had to check and everything there and uh, uh Fuller says well it's not right and I know they said you're gonna have a

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fine. Finally talk to Everett Lansing and either an attorney in the city reared him down there. He said well with $1,000, why I'll get you out of it. But dad didn't want to go down but they had to go down because he was, you know him

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and my brother went down. He's nervous anyway, you know. Well in fact when we first got the car we'd ride up the hill and he just to walk afraid to write, you know and walk up. So when he comes back he stopped there too to one

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of our friends out of a garage here on then I said no and he went in there and went to the bathroom and he never, never woke up and never woke up in there. But that's where I know he was nervous over that because he didn't,

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oh What was he 63 I think. But when did you marry Kathleen and 31. And she was, her family was from, where, where did her family live? Well there they come from Mendocino County up there. They moved down in 1923 from Mendocino County. And that was

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the Riley family. Yes. And they owned a ranch on rest strike Creek Road. Yes, but they're the Grass Valley ranch. He called it up where the dance got half of it. And marlo marlo got the other hand was up pina Creek. Well it's yes you went,

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you went up by, hey, we're just past being a creek and a fall creek. But don't border peanut creek. And and she, her mother's name was bertha birthday clown. Yeah. And her father's name was George. Yes. And she had two brothers named Jim who was a

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prizefighter and Lawrence or john what wasn't Lawrence? Okay if they called him Lawrence Yeah. And he died in an auto accident. It was a logger died in one of the number of carriers. The fellow was taking him back out to the woods and tipped the carrier

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over. You died got killed in that. It was pretty young. It wasn't, it wasn't too old. No. Yeah, I have that. He died in 1952. But I didn't, I didn't write down how old he was. And then Jim is dead too died in uh 67 I

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guess better of? Let's see if we would be Jim's grand grandmother was the first white child born up in and Mendocino County. I mean uh Patna vera whether it was may come over in there, she left could be 103 years old. And they yeah, they come

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over and the fact her name was they had the post office, the first post officers named Christine Up. Their name was Christine Schwinn before they married Riley up there. So they were real real old fan. Yes. Do you know who the Rileys bought their property from?

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From up here? That the property over? Well, the mother had it when they come down and I don't know who the devil they got it from. I never did. George Riley's mother had it. Yes, he he had it when they come down and after they sold

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that one up. But on the Navarra River and they come down here. I don't know. Well what do you call them? Have part of it up there. The Burdon had part of it up there is that's an old time. Your dad lived kind of behind Skaggs

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screen. That's right. They had some kind of a little hotel or something or they used to they used to cook meals. That's right for people and Gordon's And the sigh Petrie, there would be many Petrie's which drove the stage up from time to time. They they

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go to see Skaggs was a big hotel of the big time. They have an awful big time over there. and sometimes they go up there or french, he was for dance with friends and he said he drives the bus, it went through the ranch, the road

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went up through the ranch, through the Riley Ranch from Skaggs that went up there and then the other way it would go through it to get up on the back to in there and where Clary is now, that would be uh used to be the Canfield

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ranch, they went to right away through that, went up through the Riley Place there. So what do the Rileys do for a living? Did they run sheep or cattle or logging? Well, they had sheep and worked in the woods, little redwood and some oh, but they

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didn't make too fancy living on that either at the time they had some grapes there, but he finally, well the deer, you know, it's the nails come in there and he wasn't much of a vineyard man anyway and it's time to let it go in. So

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it was almost all hill country. They didn't have anything down close to the creek. No, nothing, nothing. But uh where they had a little great for a few years, but then they let it go, do you have any idea how many acres he had up there?

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2000? Mm It's a lot of course to run sheep, I guess you need a lot of acres. That's right, that's right, yeah, Well Catherine, I owned it for five years that the ranch out there. We'll see you know how many atheists it is when I went

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over a lot of it in there. Who did you sell it to? Or marital? Oh, you did. And then Merlot sold a portion to the Army Corps of Engineers. Okay. Yeah. Where did you and Kathleen live after you were married? And your Children were Pat who

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married howard hair. And when did Pat dye? It wasn't real long ago. Couldn't figure about five years ago what we write down 84 first course admitted to we could have gone and looked at that. I've got I've got to get a book and put them in

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there. I go to I guess as many funerals as Anybody I've been. I've got over 300 of them cards. I'm going to want to put them in there alphabetically. Sometimes they how long when the day died? So long and I I went to three and one

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day, believe it or not, you set a record. Lawrence Noble going? I went down there once in a, one of the ST lo boy when the youngest reload. I went in there. I said, how the devil is it? When I was supposed to be a half

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hour, 20 minutes early. So I got down there and I didn't know too many people and I heard something going on. I walked by the casket boy. He's really changed. Boy, doubt really changed him because he doesn't go to nothing else. I didn't even know, set

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a record. And then of course you had mary lou And David is David, mary No, mary lou either. No, I know she. Where does David live? He lives with his mother in Cloverdale. He's about the age of my half brother Charles, isn't he? Would have been

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born. Yeah. I think it was David and my half brother and Willie Ruth. And weren't they all born about this weapon ruth and born about 50. Yeah. Usually. Yeah. I think they might have been in the same grade together. I'm not sure. Where did you and

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Kathleen live? Mhm. Right. Up here. Yeah. I was born there and lived there until freeway took it. I never Is that the Domenichelli ranch? Yes. The one where you and Kathleen lived when I was. That's the Dominican kelly ran. And that's the old house that you

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just said that the freeway took and burned down. Oh, that's where it is. Well, I remember that one and it was kind of like a little store on the other side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's gone now to the freeway took it to. Yeah. Well, when

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I bought this was before dad died, I was going to uhh, when dad was up there, kelly and I was going to run the ranch. He lived over there and I was going to move here and they had a house right here, That a pastor out

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by whether you don't remember the bastard because he was gone in there. But they lived here when I bought this. I must have been 1 50 years ago I guess in there. I paint, I paid $500 for this lot. And the one that sold a chick.

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It was a big lot in the house in there for the first year we run the ranch in there. Oh Bassett died. He had no no relatives. So and went up for sale through the coroner's office down there. I wasn't. My brother knew somebody down there.

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Bill and he's still got it for you get $500, you can have it. And and that's how I kept that everybody holland wanted me to sell it and I you know, I said well I might want to deal here someday. I finally sold that to check

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for for 500 now. Well Sardo Somebody's got 45,000 for that lot with that new house went on up here. 45,000. Mhm. Swimming. I wish they hadn't sold that belonged to my aunt jess. It was much nicer as a little orchard. I think Charles is so big

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way because the way the house is tall, otherwise they wouldn't let me put it that way. It was often I think the hopes tried to buy it as a part of a little orchard. But they were too late and joe I guess had already sold it

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to these other people. I was really dismayed. Has your occupation always been ranching? Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. I took him civil service test to work for the state but I passed it and they called me twice but dad passed away and I was on the ranch so

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I didn't take it. It didn't do me in the good to take it in there. But I think I think they have called you twice then they take you off the list in there. That was quite a few. I think there's 50 of us took the

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test. I went with an apple at the time from working on the road there, you know it was Well we used to get 17 cents an hour on the ranch here in the state paid for It was for 40 or 450s at that time. There's quite

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a difference. And of course now then they got up in the pension. That means something. I'll see. I never got it. I never got any kind of a pension. I never even got a well I never got to pay the holiday I did this year. I

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worked for Galaxy. I worked over here for this filter parts to fanny's and they sold it and Gala bought it and I got paid with 34 holidays. You know. Otherwise Never first time. That's right. eight years old a paid holiday. When were you and Alice married?

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I bet he doesn't even know. Oh now we're in trouble now I put I put it up over here 67 Now you remember that? It was 1916. Yeah, just before deer season. Just down went open but on the old timers and by Golly says you've got

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a pretty good memory. I says you're older, right. I went down to see him, you know, in the hospital and somebody said he won't know you, you know. Well I went down, I'm going to see him. I used to say hey Garibaldi you know? And I

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said I went up there and I say hey girl baldi and I gotta he said hey what are you doing? I think he died passed the next day or something and it wasn't very far after and there I am. I didn't see him close to when

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he died. I was living not in the area but I was living over in the foot near Auburn. But I did come over and I was able to say goodbye to him. I meant an awful lot to me and he was except for being sleepy. Remember

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he fell asleep while I was visiting. He was but other than that and he remembered everything. Yeah he was sleeping when I went in there, you know and I just said that because somebody said you know he was yeah I was I went there and chew

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the fat with him and the rennie when I wasn't working a lot in there and I missed a lot by not getting him on tape, hours and hours as it made me decide I better start doing this. I mean it really hit me when my dad

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died and I realized how much we lost then Alice. What was your maiden name? How do you spell it? S E N T E N E Y. Yeah. Where have I? I've seen that name before. Yeah. There used to be a salmon guys will build here

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say I bet you that either we've got sent down to jail guys. The jail you know there was a jail here. You know you know I think I've heard that was that. I remember where it was. Well it was bright straight. Well you know where breezes

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lived there. Right. Yeah. Well right right down by the railroad track. That fence was here. It was in that that piece there. Uh the jail. Yeah. This town went to pieces. There was an awful lot of now. There's nothing near anymore. Used to be, used to

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be everything here now. And they had a jeweler, they had a dentist, a movie And hotels, ordinary 3 3 hotels, uh the lumber yard and a drug store and a doctor. And and well I was a doctor when I was born solar why he used to

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come up and then there was here for years until who was the last one community I guess young solo was in in here. Yeah, but there's everything along the line there now there's Rossi has the Butcher shop at least four and I can remember at least

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four and there might have been 54 service. Yeah that's right. Plus you could get gas up here at the shoe store and you could get gas down the old motel. Yeah what was the name of that old motel? They Sequoia Sequoia that's it Anita bat. And

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I were trying to think of the name of that the other day and I couldn't think of the name. It was the old supply and that's right and then of course there was a service station to across from my mom's lampson had one and then the

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one just north of lampson and then there was the Richfield and the Chevron on the other two corners. And then down below at the tractor lamps of tractor they get that's our gas. Yes now you can't get none on sunday here you have to go out

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this close and you can't get anyone have a bank. Yeah we've all been have a bank. That's right and we can't get regular gas. No it only gets Supreme or unleaded. Yeah get regular. Um You told me your family was from Cloverdale Cloverdale area. I know

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someplace we've either got a cent in E. In the cemetery or someone that is related to a sentence because I've seen cemetery records and okay well maybe that's right wherever that's where I've seen the name. Um Let me tell you what I know about the stock

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comes and then see if you can what you can fill in. Your first husband's name was Daryl and He died in 1959. Okay. I have yeah it looks like I have. He was born in 1920. Yeah let me about Reid and died in 1959. His parents

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names were Hugh and Ruth Gillespie. She was a Gillespie and they were from or the at least the stockings were from Ohio and from Bill Norton county of that area there because my father knew them when different kids too. Oh so they came down here from

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Del norte county. The Gillespie's. And I think we has might have some Gillespie's in the cemetery too. Um Hughes siblings were named Roy who married Eileen Berryhill Eileen use be Grant stuff. His brother was Roy no okay. Grant and Harriet were Hugh's parents, Grant and Harriet

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also from Ohio. And then Grant and Harriet's Children were Hugh Roy who married Eileen and mom said they used to have a little motel and cabins. There were bud rose stab a little motel there girls girls named Bill Ruger. Mhm martin. Oh Helen Helen and I

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heard about and carl carl Carl didn't marry lived with his parents. Um Helen rude married Donnie Ruud's father in law or would have been her ex no father in law father in law. Right. And she committed suicide by drinking and poise. She was quite a bit

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younger than he was. So it was his second marriage because his first wife would have been clark's mother they had no Children with now mom said something about the tip top restaurant in Healdsburg. What she meant that they used to own that. I'm not sure who

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it was connected something to Helen, did Helen and Helen and rude ever. Oh no I I used used on grocery store right? And he owned the or at least he ran the grocery story or in town one that then dd Ellis and he had such like

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he had one upper lake and he had one in Hoffman. Okay. You don't know anything about tip top restaurant or the location of the tiptop. I know where it is. I used to work in the be there. The restaurant needs to be called the trails in

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the one in Healdsburg where tiptop is. Yeah. Had anything to do with. Okay. Did Darryl have any brothers or sisters? Eleanor And he had one President that I think he was nine months old when he guys that was the shoulders of we're just going to say.

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And who was Allen? I remember Alan you work, she would have been about what she was older than Pat wasn't she bought a few years. She would have been, who did she marry? Oh dear. Well several but her last husband against disease And she lives in

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Arizona with most of her two sons. So she married more than once. Yes. Yeah. I barely remember she would have been about the age of like one of the Brunk boys or one of the Walters? Like Harold Walters. Well remember marjorie don't you remember? Yeah. Well

00:36:29.670 - 00:37:03.250

they're the same age Margie Margie was Eileen and Roy's daughter. Yeah I think she did I think. Yeah. Um I guess Harold Yeah Harold that uh Daryl was 11 or 12 years older than Eleanor Siam 67 368. So she's So she lives in her late 50s.

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See Eileen was uh Floyd Beffa zan yeah. Barry Barry Hill was her name? Okay. How do you feel? Barry? He'll be E E R R Y H I double L. It's like a like a berry that you eat. Oh I didn't I'd forgotten all about margie.

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She wasn't there. She went to school like with Ralph stree low. She was about that age wasn't she? Got same ages so. Lombardia Tony Kobe Kobe Kobe I think probably so about that saying that he was going together because they kind of went together for a

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while and Hugh and Ruth lived on moody lane. Yeah. Who lives is the house still standing? Who lives there And who live do you know who lives in it now? Is that people I don't can't think of any people on it. But the people that live

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in his name is not my cousin by any chance George Glaser Georgia. He lives on, he lives on the moody place. Yeah that's on Logan moody. That's this side on the left. This is the end of the remember miller you know membership issues to come to

00:38:37.010 - 00:38:58.240

church with stop ability. No well see that was there where the school is was one mil of Sam and then charlie and then Bill they were all up one from the other right up to plain and then moody. Yeah planning and and I there right next

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to the school. Yeah that's Adam miller house. Know that they will yeah they had a little they had a little place in between the random miller's of. Okay. What about the old Davis Ranch who built that house? Is that a miller? That's miller that was a

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miller that was charlie. Miller and Sam was the one that where the school of house that used to be the miller ranch where the school is now and then there was Wilkinson in there and then charlie had house in there and then Bill well Williams lived

00:39:33.910 - 00:39:59.340

up that's beyond the Davis. Oh yeah and that was the stock that's where they were left at the very end. I go what's the name of this center? President Grasso. Yeah but somebody bought yeah somebody bought it while the people of their rented the house. The

00:39:59.350 - 00:40:19.820

Jensen used to build the house over here and drag it to there's a mobile home and the house now in there. But yeah there is a mobile home. I think the person lives in the mobile home was. No, it's a girl. The name Patty somebody. And

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I think she was married to my cousin Barbara Blaser, her son, what's his name? David, David Murray. Is that the one that works that works in Healdsburg now? The woman, that one of them that lives up to the who was telling me that, oh don Grady

00:40:45.640 - 00:41:00.190

that got a bronco and I said where is she from? She works for Sanderson in Healdsburg. I don't know who she works for. Said she lives over there. I don't know if I thought he said he lived on the miller place, but I don't know where

00:41:00.190 - 00:41:20.570

she works. I just know it was his first wife and now he is remarried. And My cousin Barbara who was with Pat married two times and her first marriage was they had this boy David and his first wife was Patty and she lives in that trailer

00:41:20.570 - 00:41:44.570

at the end of moody lane. But I don't know who lives in the stucco house. This fellow Jensen had at least up there but he's moved out because by the name of Grasso now. Yeah, maybe they then rent it out. Yeah. To Patty. Um Okay so

00:41:44.570 - 00:42:08.090

I know where Hugh and Ruth lived. Um What about you know for years they lived in that house on the hill of uh ranches Ranches. Okay. Where was the stock? Um ranch just before you got there. Oh okay ponds live now. Okay. Yeah. That's what we're

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talking about. River road. They had planned down to the river and they have the hills. That's where they lived originally. It's out Grant and Harriet used to live down below and lived in an old house up above two houses on the ranch before they moved over

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onto moody line. Do you have any idea how many acres there were in granting the areas dreams for what they did. It was that was a big prune and pair ranch. It must be hails and below it's over. Must be honored. Mostly hills. 100. Well he's

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got about 60 acres in the bottom two I guess he's got 100 20 or 40 acres. Although there wasn't any television now now now he's got grapes up there. But do you know who they bought it from? Stop them from betha So Grant Grant Grant stock

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and bought it from there right just a year ahead of. We bought it all the one up over there from north because the kill gore is used to own some property over there and I think they either sold or bought from somebody by the name of

00:43:36.980 - 00:44:01.840

preys priests. Yeah. That's what sound right. Yeah that's that's beyond our place over there. She bound where I will tell you used to live there. It's on north. Yeah. A bottom to it. But I mean the house down of course the stock um Wasn't that far?

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Wasn't that far? No no that bordered our place bordered our place here and then the full of Griffith was below in there. Well I've seen that and then fred young bought it then I don't know until I went for a walk with mom one day and

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she walked me all the way up to the end of the road and told me all the people that used to live there. So I do have it written down someplace where Todd lives in the facade items used to live there and and all that since

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I don't drive up there very much and since I've lived most of my life away from here it's kind of hard to you know or even remember where people lived. Um What are the names of your Children? They're written okay. Right here. All right. I didn't

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put down that. I just. Okay. Yeah. That's that's especially if they don't live here now. Well but that's okay because I mean it's not a family it's wonderful. Thank you. Sure appreciate the time. Yeah. One other question I wanted to ask you was for a while.

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You lived at Eliza Monroe's in the apartment upstairs. This was after her sister died then. Right because then she used to live upstairs when her sister mita was alive. Yeah. And then I assume when me to die? She moved downstairs with Ed and you rented the

00:45:41.120 - 00:46:04.160

upstairs. Yeah. Do you have any idea how she was related? She and media were related to at memorial and Maybelle wait how were they cousins there? She used to tell me they were cousins and I never could figure out how they were cousins. Her mother was

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your father father's name I think was her mother and there father and and their father's name was Metzger. Yeah. Yeah and and I think somehow there were two marriages. Well um Miss Monroe's mother was a mexican. It was a master and then she married a band.

00:46:37.480 - 00:47:06.610

I'm quite sure if you want to find that out for sure. Her son lives and it feels very crane Alvin oh Alvin crane lives in the old school I think the rivers and the rivers or something. Yeah adopted boy First Dominica Liza came to the guise

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of malaria. Where did they come from? Where do they live? You know? Well my dad come over in 1890 1898 I think it was and he worked at the italian swiss colony up there. Yeah they hadn't had three brothers born in the old country you know

00:47:34.180 - 00:48:03.830

and 19 to my mother and The three boys come from from Italy And they first went up to ask d and lived up at well it's right up not only well it's on part of the Astor place on the property for a while then then they

00:48:03.840 - 00:48:28.490

come down and who lived at, well they bought the ranch in 19 8 that's uh well you know where it is, a mile and a half north of guys were built and that's where the well frank was born in nasty and The other three was born

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in Geyserville. Uh Me and I was born there and He bought the ranch in eight and I was born there and Willie and and Leonard was born. Now when you say they lived at a ski too. Yes, they start wild. Yes. When they come from the

00:48:46.580 - 00:49:00.000

old country they lived as nasty. And was there special housing or something for the men that came to? Well, no, they lived in the house finally the fuller that had the bakery up there lived in it. It's right. I don't know whether you know where the

00:49:00.870 - 00:49:16.680

Well do you mean the men when they first came over they stayed kind of boring room? Well yeah, he stayed there for a while. He worked for $0.97 a day when he Come over and then when he and when he wouldn't work, they charge him 15

00:49:16.680 - 00:49:32.090

cents a day for board. That's the way it was in there and it worked well. He said no watches from daylight or dark, they would start pruning up by the colony seeing they come clear down to bring no lease and they keep going and at noon

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they bring a big pot of soup down, they'd eat and then at night they go all the way back up there and stop. But he said as long as soon as you can see why they took him out and there no brakes and no benefits. That's

00:49:52.230 - 00:50:18.280

right. What was your dad's name? Lord Remedia was his first name. R E M I Geo. And the way they and your mother's name was Saleh Chino. Yeah. And she was a tree's. Nd that's right, okay. And I have written here that his sisters were Armenia

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past story and Louisa paris. That's right. That's right. They come up with two of them. Okay. So when did the two sisters come over at the same time that he came over and no, no, no, no they came they came later. I don't know what year

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it was but they came and stayed with when the family was over here already. I shouldn't well I don't know Bill had some of that tree down but I don't know whether they whether they got when they arrived here or not in there but he came

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by himself and he was the first one. That's right. That's right. Yes. Well frank faster. I would know when his mother came over and and well I know a picture would know when his mother, I don't know. I doubt it vic didn't remember anything. No they

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don't remember when I thought maybe they talked about what part of italy well it was where the marble masa Correra with. Well it's a town close to that in there but That's where it's close to that one. The town was P. O. S. A. R. A.

00:51:30.740 - 00:51:53.160

That they were the bazaar or they called it. Somebody else just mentioned that town to me. Was it maybe Lillian Bennani? Do you know whether the bananas came cut? That's right that's right. I think that she tried to get the desk. Yeah they come from the

00:51:53.160 - 00:52:08.920

same town part of the country. Yeah and the mary anne's come from there to I don't know you know any of them or not. They were not around here now they went to school here. They they had that house on Canyon Road that I never really

00:52:08.920 - 00:52:25.570

knew them. Yeah that's right I can remember a mary Anne girl when I was in grammar school. She was in high school then but I can't remember her first name. She died what the devil was her name? I forget what her name was. Rose that's it.

00:52:26.850 - 00:52:52.500

Rose is her name and one of the boys died when they lived there at the police too. Uh huh. To work for scale. What's his name? You know they have trucks and take something feels mary Anne. Yeah Angelo Angela Maryanne is married dot north. Yeah That's

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the only one left isn't Mary Anne Boy. Well ones are not of the state. No there's another one another one that's well one of them bought the place over at for the one that did you misspeak obviously with, he died. Yeah he's the oldest remember that?

00:53:11.600 - 00:53:32.020

No I remember the name. Peacock though. I'm just saying all these names. All these names coming out that I'd almost forgotten. That's what makes me smile and how nice it is to hear all these names that I had forgotten about. Well in Phila gina she had

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one well I have here as her she had a sister, Laura who married a barrel Lonnie and a sister Rosina that married of Mazzoni and Judith who married a Lombardi. And then a brother a brahma with Sandy who married Maria pavone and was the mother of

00:53:55.410 - 00:54:19.720

Amelia Helen, coney and mike and Alan and then there was a margarita who married a Lombardi. Yeah there were two brothers married to two sisters. That's right Judith and marguerite. That's right and there was an adam oh and stayed in italy. Right And the oldest daughter

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never the oldest sister never come over Maria. All there was another system and Italy yeah Maria was you never should never come over. Yeah. Yeah I got all this from when I when I visited Emilia and Pelly they gave me all this and their family history

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so that's 00 I know all this. Um Why did they come to California. Well the cake so they could get enough to eat. Yeah pretty bad. Oh yeah I asked mom is later if she ever wanted to go back. She says no way in there. He

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said I had enough tough times. She worked with the three Children over there. She used to go and well they instead of work the land where they were, it was deep with horses and well anywhere oxen. They used to use a turn it over by wouldn't

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besides wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't they had wooden shoes to work and they used to do that and at night should go down in the in the creek there and put sand and bring it up for for the masons, you know, to work the next day, all the

00:55:39.240 - 00:55:56.300

sand on her. She did that. She was tough, she was, she worked, his father was over here, the kids at the three points to to get get them oversee. Uh she was, she was tough, she was worked as hard as any man up to. Well what

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was the 80, should take care of all the brush out of all our ranches and we had a lot of them and burn it Now that you couldn't get 10 men to do it. But she used to do it all all by ourselves. That's the reason

00:56:11.910 - 00:56:27.780

the grapevines and rose bush and things like that. You never pick up the brush. You're so used to having your mother come along behind you and pick up all that brush. You don't do that for him. No, no. Yeah, that's the reason there's a rosebush thorns

00:56:27.780 - 00:56:46.350

and stuff. they had a tough time coming over when dad come over when the ship got the straits of Gibraltar, he hit the sandbar sandbar there you know? And of course they were. There was the 1st, 2nd and 3rd class. Then in that third class was

00:56:46.350 - 00:57:02.920

underwater where they come over on the ship, their part was under the water, see a down low on the bottom of the ship. And dad said they were there and he was there for 12 days and they finally went back. Well he said he they felt

00:57:02.930 - 00:57:18.700

better because they all went upstairs and they get to beat drink the good wine. Where the first class you know what else is on there? They took all the other passengers off and then when they left the third class and when they got back they had

00:57:18.700 - 00:57:31.610

them all that well they they put a waited for the high tide and then they put a ship with a toe on it. And they make I don't know how many said there was quite a few of them run back and forth like that and get

00:57:31.620 - 00:57:47.920

the ship the rock and then it let go on the you mean inside the ship they ran back back. Yeah to get it to teeter see and then we'll loosen in the sand and the the mother ship give a jerk and took it out and and

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mine when mom come over she come over with Lombardi? See her brother in law, Louise. Father well his family stayed over there. But when they come over he come over with them see and when they before they got the Ellis Island over there wise some guy

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talked to Lombardi and I asked him where he was going and he said oh he said you come with me, said I got a deal that will make money, you don't have to work. And they gave him what money he had there, see who else is.

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And then when they got off there he never saw him. And again. So there was he didn't say that he took their mother's money. Well after when then he said he told my mother give me your money and I'll tell him you're my wife and we'll

00:58:32.450 - 00:58:47.090

go to get out of it together. But he went and left her. There were 33 kids crying in front of some of the older. You better stop your crying. You know your they used to examine them for your eyes and all that. This is an Ellis

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Island. Yeah. So she finally stopped and after, well I think it took dad 10 days. You know they get back and what happened and get the money to send over to her. And then she comes over in the so she didn't want no more traveling and

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I don't want any more Lombardi either. Well he was the guy. I don't know. The guy told him. Always said you give me what money you've got and he said you don't want to have to work anymore and he fell for it, you know I gave

00:59:18.670 - 00:59:35.460

it all. Yeah. Then I assume they came over on a train on by train from there. They come to san Francisco on a train. Yeah, I tried, that's how they had to get the money then too. You come out of over there. Mom gave a party

00:59:35.460 - 00:59:53.360

all the money because they had their tickets. You know the money bought in there. I think she said she saves them over there because she'd have to pay the Woman to take care of the three kids. What what three kids now were born in italy. Which

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of your El nino? Okay. And parody. Okay. And Albert. Yeah. And frank you say was born in a brass key and the rest of you were born on the ranch appearing days ago, which is you, Willie and Leonard. Okay. Um when your mom came they were

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still living at Aston. Well, of course because because frank was born there. Yes. Um Then they moved on the Ranch in 198. How many acres? Well that was when they bought the ranch, it was 55 acres there. 52 acres. Uh huh, paid $5500 for the, for

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the acres. The winery's barn and I had a good house at the time. That's going to ask you if it had a house, had a big house and it was pretty well built when we first got there without all that colored glass and all that stuff

01:01:06.740 - 01:01:23.880

in it. And when they all that gingerbread on top and when they, well I didn't go up when they freeway took it. I would do, they burned it and someone got even the doors are all colored glass on one 2, 3 doors and then up upstairs

01:01:23.890 - 01:01:41.240

1 2 three. The windows are all that colored glass. But the house is gone now. Yeah. Where the freeway? That's right. The bulldozer down and set it to fire their when they commit. Who did you, who did your dad buy it from? Followed by the name

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of Stuart. I think he was french Stewart and they moved to Lake County. Are you talking about? But not the old men. But son he stopped to see me one day when he was pulling at the place there spell S. T. U. A. R. T. Okay.

01:02:04.110 - 01:02:30.450

S. T. U. A. R. T. That's the way it's spelled differently. Okay. And a winery came, there was a wind on the pride in the house. Yes. Who were your neighbors? Uh Well there was Necessarily, it wasn't married to partisan on one side. Which side on

01:02:30.450 - 01:02:53.470

the south side and then gators owned it up above. But the people named fresh our lived lives there. We met one of the girls remember And when we had dinner down, I've heard that name there either some in the cemetery or their related to somebody because

01:02:53.470 - 01:03:11.450

I've seen the name F. R. E. S. H. O. U. R. I think it is. Yeah they were there was three or 4 boys there and the father and the mother and then of course after their then well the property was gators you know but they

01:03:11.450 - 01:03:33.990

had at least there then bracket. Well Lombardi move one of the Lombardi's moved in there. That dominik that married in the same house. The gator house. Now did you say it was to the north? Yes north of it. It's still there. It is a freeway. Didn't

01:03:33.990 - 01:03:54.310

get it. Yeah it's a real old old house and we'll bracket fixed it up some. Well is it the house at the bracket that Raylene and standard for living. It looks kind of like a dollhouse. That's right. Oh that's the old gator house. Huh? I don't

01:03:54.310 - 01:04:12.380

know the gator ever lived there. But he had the property, he owned that property And then he gave um mrs brackett was the daughter she got half and then the boys boy got the other half up north. Is that close to the well close to where

01:04:12.380 - 01:04:29.700

past story is now. Years ago I just wanted to go through that house up there. Orange like new and see how. Yeah. Yeah we used to go there on my when my app club and an uncle that well in fact they got sick and we worked

01:04:30.390 - 01:04:47.610

the ranch for him there and he died with. Yeah. Well he had tuberculosis. He died there on when he's living on the ranch and then both 30. Yeah. And then his wife died in santa rosa about three years after much of lawsuits and both had it.

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Mhm. What was what was grown on the property? So you say you had 52 acres. Now did it go down to the river? Went from the river up into the hills? Well we had four acres of hills and the rest was was the bottom land down

01:05:06.820 - 01:05:30.090

there. So you didn't have a lot of hill land? No. Not there not until we bought the one across the river. And I'll ask I'll ask you about that too. So what did you grow on this property that? Well there was there was grapes pairs. Well

01:05:30.090 - 01:05:59.470

we planted two pairs after grapes and some prunes, but mostly grapes. And then prunes and we planted pears and prunes after more. Yes. Okay. And you did say your dad worked at asked me first. Okay. Now tell me when did your was it your dad that

01:05:59.480 - 01:06:26.830

bought the property on the east side of the river over there? Yes. In 1918. Mhm. Who did he buy it from? Norton? Ed Norton? Yeah. Was Ed Norton? Not by any chance that attorney from Healdsburg? Right Colonel Colonel Norton had a lot didn't he have a

01:06:26.830 - 01:06:44.180

lot of property around He was, you know, he got, he was pretty, he was pretty crooked. You know that you're in there. I wish you well then he passed away. Well, he slit his throat and I think he was so crooked that he finally had to

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couldn't live anymore. And then he had one of the two boys in there. Later we had an awful time with that police. In fact, I was after dad passed, I was about to leave it, you know, in there. But when I went down to get a

01:07:00.020 - 01:07:21.300

haircut and in Healdsburg there a fuller mentioned too many kelly and I walked out and one of the fullers that owned the, if each door across from the, from the mortuary there. Right? Not, No, it's before. Right. Hey, hey, got it before then he come back

01:07:21.300 - 01:07:35.750

and pat him. He says you were Domenichelli and I suggest. He said, I'd like to ask you a question. He said, I'm not, it might be personal if you going to answer it, don't answer. But I would like to ask you a question that you don't

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mind us as well. If I can answer this is how did you make out with the north? Well, at that time he paid an awful price for it and he had 7% interest in 18. You know, we had to pay him and it's and now one

01:07:56.000 - 01:08:17.490

year we didn't even make enough to pay for the interests and we struggle there a long time fact we paid. I figured it out. He wanted 50004. That's what we paid him. Dad had $17,000 Down payment to put on it. Which left 33,000 to pay. And

01:08:17.500 - 01:08:36.230

by the time we paid that off with pay $55,000 in interest, by the time we got it paid off in there. But anywhere this hey, except how'd you make out? Well at the end there I finally went and borrowed money. 54% paid them off sea and

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towards the end there. And he said, I said, we got him straightened out. He says, well, God bless you. He said. Now I'll tell you why I asked you said old Ed Norton was hell of a good friend of mine. That's the words he said in

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the day, your mother and father and the brothers come down. I was in the office and the other side he said when, when they went out, he called me in there and I think his name was written or not fred while one of many with Jack

01:09:06.280 - 01:09:20.260

Big, I think it was. He said, come in here now. I'll show you he had the papers there and said, I'll show you how to make money. Says not by working. He said, use this. He said, now there's a gentleman that comes from the old countries.

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Got seven boys found out. They're all hard workers. We did all of us, well everybody at work like the devil. He said they gave me uh They gave me $17,000 down. I got 7% interest and I got the mortgage on this and I put the mortgage

01:09:41.520 - 01:09:56.430

on the place where they live so they'll pay the interest a while, then they'll go and I'll have my money here, my ranch and their ranch if you defaulted. And he thought it would go that way. That's what he told that. That's what he did with

01:09:56.430 - 01:10:10.760

lots of mortgages and people couldn't pay. And so then he took him over and that's when he said, I'm glad you said you know I kind of turned down on, he was a friend of mine but he said I kind of turned down. Well he did.

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His dad, his dad was a surveyor. That's how they owned a lot of this along the river and along their seat. Do the survey in and then he'd take land for some pay in the land. That's how he got a lot of it there. Yeah. How

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many acres were there over in the 580 over there? There was and a lot of that was hill yes yes. It was about uh well let's say 100 30, 40 acres in cultivation. The rest were healed. Yeah. And what was it cultivated under great rooms and

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grapes. Did it go to the river? Yes yes. He went to the river. Uh well on a good part of it in there in fact we had to gravel right there. And then well when we were, when dad after we sold it why basil come up

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and surveyed? And I asked the father I said what do you what are you doing there? And he said well the dog just playing in the dark but we went to the river because I told him that 11 year when we were short of interest money

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Ed Norton come he said well give me that river bottom up there and that will go towards your interesting well we knew that it had now the river gravel you got this better than anything. You know if you get property down there. I was talking to

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carl pro show he said remember when I helped him get the cows on when they had a flood across the river and how he cussed that gravel he said now he gets a damn much money from. I don't know what to do with. Yeah it's a

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hard hard even in Cloverdale a lot of now the gravel as well as their fighting not to let them get it but that's really something in there. Well so I guess you have been getting it for that and they haven't worked now but they saw pays

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them so much a year to keep somebody else out and that's been Well then the bunker was there 156 years ago when comes first put it in there, that's when I was in high school. Uh huh and they're still paying them now and they don't they're

01:12:39.250 - 01:13:00.440

not taking it out there now there was a winery on that property to or we was a barn and we thought well after prohibition now before probation come when we had the place over here and we all mom always said you made more money making the

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wine and selling the grapes naturally, you know, because they sell it now it's different. But so we put up the wind rain and we had a we had a filter over there that from new york that you make the wine, I'll give you a dollar 25

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cents a gallon ford, gives good hill grapes and make good wine. See, so we went and bought the cluster and equipment and put it in the horse barn. We had at the time in which he took over here over here. See because when we, when dad

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split this up with my uncle up there where I was born, then he took the winery and we took the house your uncle took, that's right, that's what Caroline and yeah, So we had uh right well just under 50,000 gallons of wine there and it was

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the guy company said I'll take and then prohibition come and there was, you know couldn't sell it, so we lost everything then you don't know all the years crop. So we kept it and kept it finally after I think about 10, 12 years you had to

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get a what your grandpa used to make the reports out to the Federal down here you know in every month. My grandpa dad. Well oh my dad, I mean dr grandpa, Oh yeah I remember your grandpa all cherries that your grandpa for all that had some

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cherries over there because I called him in he would take them there and then ship them to CPC can vary from the store there, we don't know the cherries there when your grandpa was there and I was a pallbearer at the mortuary there two times that

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you're and guys with my grandpa was the undertaker. That's right for whose funerals? One was for the bear Landy boy. And one works from Mazzone Boy. They both will. The Berlanti boy got shot over there and up here the three of them around and the gun

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went off and blew the top of his in. Off Mazzone boy was he was pretty, he died pretty young but he was he wasn't right up to snuff. I think when they come up to see the four sisters, they had The four boys all in that

01:15:30.390 - 01:15:51.620

one year. Leonard and Louis Lombardi, he's dead now. But remember Louis Lombardi's Len Leonard, my brother and joseph Berlanti and joseph Mazzone, they were all born in yeah what year was it? I got it down there on that much calling but anyway they were all for

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in the same year than. Yeah and when then when I went to alleys we'll meet his father's funeral. They had they had the hearse here from horse driven George Rammell drove the horses with the hearse and And we go I think dad gave $2 for the

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lamps and he had to know one of them big studebakers. We went up in that car but the funeral was up on horses in there and now he was and it was dad passed away and he was buried in our cemetery Canyon Road. Mhm. All three

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of me it wasn't ver Lanny's and uh Mazzone but it was only a theory. Or did he have you have the area or did he have that boy? No no. Or did he have? Well he was hard for him to walk remember they used to walk

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to school up in Washington school up there and he kind of threw his leg that he used to I didn't want to go you know and sit there and kind of cry but he wasn't I don't think you I don't remember too well but he wasn't

01:17:13.020 - 01:17:33.210

maybe got something there but he wasn't it wasn't right to well I got him thinking that. Mhm. This property now on the other side of the river did it include what is now the vineyards? That's right. Well they got some nor on their further up to

01:17:33.210 - 01:17:50.530

on that now. I think that they call it. But the revenge. That was our our property there now. What about up to the Pocket Ranch road? Well that that was that was another ranch. But it didn't go down in that canyon. Oh no it goes up,

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it goes down in the canyon by next to the known in joins bar. Well it was Olson and nelson at at the time there. But well it was a A section 600 20 acres. And the fellow, I don't know who, who told me somebody sold it

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and they sold a little piece down next to the river because he didn't want that piece in there. And that's why he sold it and it left us four or 580 acres. Okay. Whether a house on it. And boy up in the buildings, he never he

01:18:31.780 - 01:18:48.420

least he never had a tool, he never the barn, not a trade for the cruise, not even a shovel or nothing. And just left just bearing. This is your dad, uh Norton when he left the one when we bought over there, He didn't leave any. No,

01:18:48.430 - 01:19:06.550

no. What about the house? And kelly and Rose was out there. It was there but we had we had to do work on it. No water. I don't know. I I kind of blame the brothers in there. No electricity, kelly kelly. Ernie was born there. I

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was 12 years old. For the had electricity over there. Did you have any idea who built the house? No, I wouldn't know who built it there in their Stewart had this one built up here, but I don't know who was in there. Okay Stewart built this

01:19:24.260 - 01:19:44.210

one, that's what he said. Yes, he had the house built in the one in the original. Yeah, you were going to say something about electricity and I interrupted you. Well that come in there. Wait what year was it comes as far as stock I mean I

01:19:44.210 - 01:20:01.220

forget what they want. A priest and Petrie didn't feel like paying and and we did until later in there it must come in there years ago you had to buy some pants, so many horsepower or electric stove or something like that. Well we did that electricity

01:20:01.220 - 01:20:26.460

into your house because we had that. I don't think it come in there too in the forties. Is the house still there? No, no they well they When when these people so they bulldoze that down and then built one behind there and then they sold that

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the people that bought that bottom, see the bottom didn't go, it went to Harvard and then the other ones went to Sh langan and they said I was going to be so sh lang and bought all the hill property for the vineyards. That's right and somebody

01:20:42.980 - 01:21:07.710

running the Hubbard, Hubbard? Uh huh. Um Did that 500 580 acres belong to all of you boys. So all of you sold it to shrank because I think that Willie was the agent but he wasn't hit the sole owner. No, no, no no. All of you,

01:21:07.710 - 01:21:28.960

all of you owned it together. Yeah. What kind of wine did you make? Well, we made uh mostly it was the regular Zinfandel, you know? And uh well it wasn't pure Zinfandel but it went, we had a lot of that great what they called it Zinfandel.

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And and we had a little white, we had some early grapes in there. We had early fact when during provision by follow on to buy we had some that come early and they used to ship the great East there, you know in little boxes and somebody

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I think miller and sons down want to buy it. And this fellow that was George Roma was with the pacific food exchange and he said, oh that's the first great to leave you send it east and you'll Make big money. See so we did. We picked

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it and the little boxes and lifted it went out of here early and out of 12 ton As we got a 17 cent check out. They burned it up 17 cents out of the heart of the whole bit. And that's that's the year. That that was

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a really good year was and the cherries after they bought it here, somebody had to hold them to Healdsburg. And the last why we pulled them up we had had cherries when we bought him it had about 15 acres of cherries in there and family, nobody

01:22:44.780 - 01:23:02.660

take them and I forget who it was. I think it's one of them pass arena in Healdsburg. We shifted on consignment. We even lost the boxes that never got anything out of it. So you ain't got the box. Yeah. Now did you say that you did

01:23:02.660 - 01:23:20.180

have a winery? Eventually over on the we had it there for yeah, we had it there and then then when we after provisions left again then we come over here and built one over here on this place. This had a wine. Well you said you had

01:23:20.180 - 01:23:35.410

a wine really well that was that was the old winery when we bought it. And then and then Berlanti took that see when we split the ranches then when we come over there where we had electricity and all over here. So we built the winery here

01:23:36.200 - 01:23:53.390

and you said you had kept the house, you kept the house up here. Yeah. And then you added a winery. Yes. Yeah then so you didn't operate the winery on the east side of just that one year. And then just one year then I see that.

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Well it was effort. 8 10 years but we had to keep the wine there because we couldn't sell it. That was during prohibition and they come and check it and if it was down, you know, a lot of people we should, we should have did it

01:24:05.960 - 01:24:22.620

too and they would went and bootleg get out, see the people would come and pay good money for it and hold it out and then they leave a little bit down there and put water in it. The guys wanted comilla, no three or 4 fellas even

01:24:22.620 - 01:24:38.650

went and set it on fire and after him on it as in there and they went down the stream in there and they collected the fire insurance, but somebody told that he said, no, no, I'm not gonna bootleg, he says, if I do that and they

01:24:38.660 - 01:24:52.300

come and put me in jail, I don't want to spend no time in jail. So, so you just kept it, just sat in there for years. That's right. And I guess there's nothing you could do with it after that. I went down the creek because the

01:24:52.310 - 01:25:11.870

federals come up there and 50,000 went down the creek, points pulled all the bugs out which creek, that guilt creek, it comes down in the river now that are probably environmentalists probably said something about, you know, killing the fish and stuff. You would cry a lot

01:25:11.870 - 01:25:47.700

of drunk fish. Um tell me where your brothers? No. El nino married an Adani, where did they live san Francisco and parody married eidos. Catina. Yeah, they live while we lived up here on the ranch there in guys review until they finally separated before parody died

01:25:47.710 - 01:26:15.170

in there. And then she she lives here in town. Down on Crowley. Yeah and kelly. Well after after dad passed away him and I run the two ranches he lived over there. He lived, that's the house that Alice was just mentioning right, kelly and Rose and

01:26:15.170 - 01:26:36.400

their son was Ernie and he married Rose look Ignani Ernie but kelly and frank of course married Florrie Perotti and he worked for the state and he worked for the state right as a maintenance. That's right and or whatever you call that and they lived over

01:26:36.410 - 01:27:04.920

in her parents home was that her parents and they lived over and dry creek on the ranch there. And then where did they move to after they 2-3 houses up here lived up here Pagonis now I guess whip bro was in roger That Walt Rodgers was

01:27:04.930 - 01:27:19.730

one that bill that that was an Aladdin home. He bought it and put it together. I forget for $800. Come. Yeah that's right, that's the first house that of course they added on to it and then he sold that and frank frank died to live in

01:27:19.730 - 01:27:43.710

Healdsburg who lives in this house now and frank's peony bought it. Oh the youngest mike. Okay. And then will he married Rose gondola and they well the only place I remember them living was in that rock house. Yeah well the highway then they lived in the

01:27:43.710 - 01:27:58.270

valley. They had a place in the valley first. And then they sold that and then they built the rock house. We lived here first. Well that's way yeah. That's just for a few years. When he worked, he worked for lampson for awhile in there just in

01:27:58.270 - 01:28:17.180

the hardware store down. And he lived in this house right next door. Okay. What you were telling me earlier? And then they moved to the valley and then he built the rock house. About? When did he build that rock house? Yeah, I know that. It was

01:28:17.190 - 01:28:43.560

there in the 50s. I mean, I'm out of the service went, I mean when did the war end? Well, next about 46 or seven he built gene building after Jean's son. Eugene minnows minnows boy. Yeah. Oh! Minos boys. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. And then now he

01:28:43.560 - 01:29:12.840

moved into Cloverdale, Willie. Yeah. And Lenny lived here for 3, 4 years. And he went to Davenport's down the Santa Cruz. That's where he died. Life and voice. That was rose to fan and his voice. They're still down the center. Yeah. So which of how many

01:29:12.840 - 01:29:39.770

of you are still living? Be Willie and you frank. Yeah. Willie and me now. Yeah. What, where did you go to school? Well, I went to elementary school element and the three room school up here. Oh you did. So you went to Geyserville that's right at

01:29:39.780 - 01:29:59.560

the old wooden building before the one that mary lou and Pat and I went to yeah, it was a three room and had the belfry doing it. That's right. So it was three room. I've had a number of people, well, people weren't sure. My aunt Jessie

01:29:59.560 - 01:30:14.790

was telling me that originally it was two rooms and then they partitioned and she didn't remember if they partitioned both of the rooms of whether it was four or whether there was three. But you say there were three. Yes, yes, there was no kindergarten, first Second

01:30:14.790 - 01:30:32.750

was in the back and then 3, 4 and five here and uh 6, 6, 7 mates on the on the top. And we walked I walked there till well the bus didn't come until you mean from the ranch up there, you walked a mile and a

01:30:32.750 - 01:30:48.480

half till I was since junior in high school. Then the bus, I walked two years down there to high school. There was no bus for the elementary school kids. No, no, no, no, there wasn't then. And the high school had one and they wouldn't, there were

01:30:49.060 - 01:31:05.620

well it wouldn't pick my brother frank and I went together and they wouldn't pick us up because they had room for one and they would pick the Rose girl below. So frank went and told him, well I said if they can pick them up and we

01:31:05.620 - 01:31:23.140

have to walk, I'll quit. But I wasn't old enough. See I was going to quit when I was 16. And then they went and bought a bus? A studebaker bus. And johnny Ellis was drove it and he'd come up the highway and pick us up from

01:31:23.140 - 01:31:37.140

mast. He'd pick six or seven of us and bring us down. Johnny Ellis is the one later became a sheriff and he was he was a driver when he went to school he was in And I would fact him and I graduated together, you know in

01:31:37.140 - 01:31:57.670

the same year in 1926 from high school. Mhm. I don't think there was 14. I don't think there's over about four or five of us left now in there. So you started in about 1922. Yeah, that's when I started high school. When did you start grammar

01:31:57.670 - 01:32:31.990

school? Well I've caught up with frank I made too I think I I wasn't quite they said I wasn't quite six years old. I don't know, should be about uh 14. Yeah. Who were some of your classmates at an elementary school And my class was Ernest

01:32:31.990 - 01:33:17.730

moody. Oh about what you're talking about. Yeah. Henry thinner and to christians since Albert William Christensen and two warm buns mable needed. They were both in the same class. Yeah. Claire's Parkinson, Harriet Black and Virna Seward, what was her name? That was steward was her name

01:33:17.730 - 01:33:49.750

then she married and what's her name? Yeah, that's right. What? Yeah, I was I wonder who else? How many is that about mm 23456789. He was too there was more than that in the Clare sparks um and Harry Black or Need Upon. Mhm.