Fred Vadon : Felice Vadon Winery, Cloverdale

the tank was full. Uh huh. And all that wife went there and all over the floors. Uh plugged up all the Sure, I think I read you were there when that happened? Young week. Uh God, I got all soaking wet. We lost well Save about 1500

gallons out of uh 5500. I'd like to I'd like to cite the experience I had at the colony, their shipping department was right across the tracks and they had tanks that we were rolling empty barrels and full barrels and we just had two by fours and

the truck wasn't very good. One of the barrels knocked off, cleared a valve or so. I couldn't do anything. So I put my butt against it and I only weighed 100 and £20 so louis cooper was there so he would hold my shoulders and then oh,

but mr buck. All right, so we had an experience. That was funny to see that the first time I went to open the tap there, couldn't shut up. So, I running head, remember I head behind the winery, there's some board leaning against the winter. I got

behind those boards are in here. Uh my l chronic on me back there explains getting back to the villas. Do you know anything about the Sillas now? Uh Stacey Bell? I says that he remembers George Siller and he mentioned something about some boys in the family.

Yeah. Oh he did. Well Julius nervo told me that there were four girls in the family and the Julius went out with the youngest of the four girls and I think that was his first aid. He took to a high school prom. Two of the girls

are still living in two passed on. But George had a son that's fun. Very young with a two on his head or something. But he he died you say fairly young as a youngster, 1819. He was an adult. 1418. Yeah because Stacy said that he knew

a boy in the Zilla family. But now you're the second one that confirms the presence of a boy. Julius could not confirm the president boy. Yes. See I remember him with the celluloid collar. I remember him. We're always wearing a solar Lloyd Connor collar and he

would go around with Bill forever. Bill forever. Always looked like a farm. Mm. Mhm 1934 35. Uh huh. Celluloid parchment in the suit. The hot near the beautiful head of white hair. Yeah. Okay. The note Bond. Yeah, remember the name Plattsburgh. Yeah, Dry Creek. Yeah. Well

his family had a winery in Dry Creek before prohibition. Yes, they had the winery there. And uh then a fellow the name is simmering operated it for a year or two after prohibition. Yes. What do you remember the hotties up here? You got the fellow that

changed his name? Oh and uh Gregory. Gregory. Oh not too much about churches. Yes. Yes he said no, they still own it. They still own it. Yes they still own it. Petrocelli's was working it for a while and they get the grape off it, but I

don't know who's working it Still could be the padron chilies. You talk about seller. He was wrong to make pretty good wine all the time. Yes. Very particular about it. Was he a german extraction or was the Austrian german? Hmm. Do you remember anything about Karl

hale? Not really. Mhm. Well, tell me what, you know about the days. When did they come over? And How many, who were they were here on weekends? They were here Friday 1894 89. And who were they? There was Armand Paul then then. Now they were all

brothers over their parents over here. No, they're all brothers. They were all brothers. Ball ammo window and Armand And those four girls I knew Wendell and Armand paul, Wendel and Armand I knew Pat very well. Pat would always visit the one. He seemed to be the

leader of the family. Mm hmm. Every time you went by it was out there. Come on then. Yes. And even now in the field he's working ranches right alongside of his. I remember I was plowing affinity with the team and he's flying over the fence and

he don't have a little sack there with a bottle of wine and maybe a piece of bread and cheese and so on. So we stop and rest the horses there and have a little drink. Do you know what part of France they came from? You know

whether they were in the wine business in France? I don't know much about them before they came. Do you have any recollection of the french american wine company in Healdsburg follows up here, wasn't it? And I was on the impression the french american was in Healdsburg

and uh they made the cream of tartar. I'm quite sure that was in Healdsburg course here again. I picked that out of literature, but maybe the literature that I had could not have been right. Right. They started the french american up here on Reddit area where

patty Hayes wine uh remember that as the french american wine company. All these other winners will now you say these other these Larue's and those people that were in the french american wine. So the french american wine company was sort of a marketing agent. Now whether

they Larue's one thing brought their wine into this wine or I don't know but I think they're all sold their wine. And do you have any recollection of the California Wine Association up here? No, I always remember dad talking about it there. He joined them there

too. I think I don't think anyone any meeting. Mhm. Uh What was your relationship with the italian swiss? Do you remember any of the old timers that italian swiss? Remember Pellegrini, the seller, superintendent Wallace? He and dad was very friendly. Come up and play cards every

once a week anyway. No uh you know your news, your dough you remember shadow you were you were 14, 15 years old. Yeah sure haircut both crew cut. I'll have picked my haircuts after him. Mystery. I've got no hair. That's interesting that that's yeah every thursday

he and his wife used to come up for the grants here. You bring a couple of bottles of champagne and you'd be a lot of very strong birds on the winery. I don't remember that or not. And all around the garden used to have very plants

there and he's having some of the boys picked the berries up there and the first thing they got a big bowl of strawberries for a bottle of champagne in there. You know he's making he was making sure how long did he remain here? Do you remember

how long after you got to France? He went back to France and a correspondent. Quite a bit of his state was here. It was very short with five or seven years. I don't think you mi might have enough money. Do you remember? Pc rossi remember? Yeah

that's right yes. Well I found the buggy that he was killed on buried in the garage in the barn and asked him when I was the manager there I took it out and I had it upholstered. I had the best that we could. And Rudy Rudy

flew finished it off because the pain had gone and he covered the letters P. C. C. Pcr and I never forgave him for it because I remember seeing in gold print pcr just as you went up the steps now pcs granddaughter got married in the month

of september and uh they they married at the villa and I was fortunate enough to get an invitation and they went around the premises and they went from the church to the villa in this buggy that PC lost his life. And yeah they got a horse

and they got a driver. It was quite an affair. Oh it's in there. They used to they used to drive a surrey with two black horses in harness all shiny and everything and dad bought the harness throughout that we had laying around for quite a while.

I went to pieces which we have them now. It's all black and shiny and probably had silva silva barbaro down there you go down to his villa at pompeii. But yes had all kind of tricks. Every step on the plants and water spray on you. I

tried to restore that but we didn't have enough money at least when I went in there in 19 uh 50 for the villa had really been deteriorated and neglected and it was hard to get any money out of them but the Petrie families spent a lot

of money they put in about 30 or $40,000. Well they had to get slate for the roof. They fixed up the plumbing. When Eddie party lived there during the Second World War. He painted all the rooms with sort of a Hawaiian motif. Well, it just didn't

fit the, the premise of an italian villa. So I had the place practically done all over and then the place was vandalized. They had some beautiful paintings I visited in pompeii italy, the original building from which this was pattern, the Villa dei Betty. And I visited

that in pompeii and this was just identically the same and had the atrium other than the other in pompeii was part of a complex, like a condominium that was part of a big apartment area. It wasn't one structure alone, it was part of several structures, but

the afternoon was the same. The archers are the same. Uh the uh adornments over the same. And of course this had a brick grotto that the other didn't have. So it's very interesting experience. Did you ever know about johnny? Yeah, sure sonny. He wound up in,

in Clovis. Yeah. Wasn't he their manager manager here for several years ago. I met him, he's probably been going about 20 years. So if he were alive today, he'd be a man that would be pretty close to 9100 years old. Yeah, so he was here to

ask me, I didn't know that he lived in a big house there by the cross and cook out. Well that was Prodi's house. That's the second house where party is living now that's the second house. The first one burnt down. He lived in the first uh

then they had, when I was at asked me they had a two story house where the coke was used to live. A beautiful two story house where the church is. Now. The first manager I remember around here to ask you was telling my Allegrini look Jeannie.

I've seen that. Yes, he used to live on place up here. Oh right across the Forbes ranch and I used to see him drive back and forth with a horse and buggy 2 1/2. Who else do you remember of asking? Well of course the Pellegrini's knew

them well. They would come up there with you know used to stay at their place a little border there. Rollo had some pictures that he wanted to give to me but I wasn't ready. And here again I didn't get busy because Rollo had a depth of

knowledge. He told me. And you're reviewing with me now some of the things that Rollo had told me about The shadow living with him and rob Lowe has some pictures of the shadow that a family pictures that he's I'm going to ask root for them because

they don't mean much to her and now and there's no one else. Richard isn't interested and no one else is interested in them. So I hope to get those pictures Joko po I don't know how well joe is but about two years ago joe wasn't too

well. I wanted to get him on tape that I will get him john paul is you know. Yes yes sure I knew their father sure faced livers. Uh huh. That's right. The house could burn down. Yes. Yes I remember that. Yes. No ingles was born in

fact uh Singles was the youngest. He was born in that house. I don't know whether johnny was born in the house. Johnny is older than me. Singles as much younger May may could have been born in that house. Yeah. Do you know any about chinese laborers

that were working up in this area? No further than any that you know I don't remember it was remember what you read in the papers about the chinese working in the US hotel there and they run them out of town in there. Big murder up here.

And I don't remember that told me. I haven't heard about that. Tell us that incident. What happened? What was the murder? Uh I think that's wrong. Only on the rock pile ranch up there somewhere like that. Some chinese and there was accused of killing some wipes

there And after that happened while there's some chinese cook there in the U. S. Hotel. They run them out of town. You never see chinese and Townsend said yeah because I've read some books and said that there have been chinese working working in some of them

or even wine makers but nobody talked about it. It might have been a chinese laundry. I'm not sure who was a chinese cook here. Was it run by the brush family at that time? No. Many ends. Yes, exactly. Yes. I knew Jack. Yes. He was another

historian that I should have had a depth of knowledge that I should have contacted me. I should have done a lot of things but I never had the time now I got the time I'm trying to make up for lost time. Mhm. Well we're going to

leave you do that girl. Talk about I bought this place in 1939, 123 acres and I only got seven acres left here and it shows well that's told about 10 or 12 partials off of them. Mhm. And no zoning, no env environmental inspection of go in

there and sell itunes. I want to build a shopping center and I spent $15, for an environmental impact report. And I got the nastiest report. They want me to put concrete down in a parking lot. No place in the world has concrete parking lot, concrete cracks.

They want me to use four acres of land that is undoubtedly worth. Well, if it's a dollar a foot is $44,000 and they get $4 a square foot 160 and they want me to use it for sewage disposal but before we're through, we'll sue the city.

One of these days you'll see that we'll have a $20 million dollars suit because they want to protect downtown and they simply can't protect downtown and still grow and meet their expenses because the city is going broke. That's why they got all these ingenious devices like

the redevelopment corporation and trying to go into the electrical business, which I oppose. I don't think that the municipality should be in, in an electric uh private utility business. I think the most of the local as well. So much for that. No. Look, that's the radio.

That is a new name to read, you know? Oh, that's yes, we read you. And then there's our winery winery. And where, where was was the Ferrari? Was that south? That is present. That was paras oh, Oh, Erazo and Ferrari with the one in the same

way winery. And then parisi. How was it to radio pass a radio E. R. C. U. D. D. Something. And that was the rage you want? You want? Uh, it burned down. I read you built after that And then there's our winery and you grew up

coon Hollow Road, grams, wait a minute. Where's a coon Hollow Road? High Road? Yes. Okay. That's the one that goes this way. Sure. And that was called coons Hollow Hollow Hollow Road. The first wonder there was Bill, grimm, mm hmm. And then there's Ghannouchi? Yes. And

wellington hired. Mhm And all on kun how road that only goes back a short distance. That goes about about three miles three miles way at the end of it will go up that road way at the end of it was the parker vineyard company. They had

a winding up there As we were 18 something and I think the foundation is still up there and then you go up there and then of course there's Pat Hayes winery. Yes. And then there's a cursor that was Rod with kelly road is now right frank

mentioned that. Yeah. And he went out of business in frank's father bought the tanks of the Zer si winery. Yeah, he bought the for many tanks. six. For many thanks from the station. That's what Frank told me. Yes. And then right across the road there we're

Emmons used to live. Yes, there was Paula rue. Mhm. They are the one in there And across from that way up in the foothill there and back where the um johnny Edwards? Yes. All the way up there was a jeweler who? His brother whose brother paul

or we'll call the ruse brother. Yes, brother. Yes. Do you remember his brother's name? One was pauline was jules. Well, yes. And right across the MGm was Theodore D hey? Uh no, it was a wonder there, huh. And and then run across and that was louis

b They had one of course yes. Bill for but I worked in bill furbies, I clarified wine for him and for George zilla uh that your creek. Yes. You know I was working for friday and he sent me out to clarify, I think it was 4000

gallons of wine and he charged them 10 cents a gallon to clarify the wine. That was $400 that he made for a day's work in here as a 22 year old kid, ness's g Williams. Look how much money my conscience was stricken when we charged brazil

attendance probably the wine only sold for 15 or 20 cents a gallon and he paid 10 cents to clarify, Yes. As interesting built for and of course the molten hill vineyards. Albert. Now, where was that fred? Although you know the kinsey trailer court is? Yes. Yeah,

Brookwood or whatever right across the road there with that? That's not muscadine ease property. Was that? Oh, muscadine e All right now, what was the name of that one? Molten, molten hill, molten molten, wasn't there? There's still a piece of uh stone. Yes. Now wasn't there

an air an airport there at one time? Well there was a fellow uh remember seeing a sock when they come up with, I come up my first recollection of the area was in 1922 when the showers had two ranches went across the river And one behind

the the property there and I was 10 years old. Yes. And I remember seeing a uh a flag, a wind sock up there And very few people know that. Very few people know that that little fella's name was running it. But one of the Alberts was

on the place then walter Alberts. I think that's, his father owned the molten building And I used to hold grapes from dry creek through over there I think for $89 a ton. And then up there's a Miss Sister winery. Which smith sisters? Kathleen smith had a

winery. Uh You know where buck? Oh my old Chief of police. Heavy duck, bowling bone, bone. Yeah, he's on the property now. There's quite a while. Wasn't that in the carbs place? Who's Edna Karr? She still owns it. Yeah, that's the place where buck is there.

And there was a winery in that one. What was Edmund Carbs? Los Molinas winery. What year do you think smith sisters? What was over there when I come here? And that train after 1900s, 1900s. He was there then. When did you come? We came here uh

in 1991, folks came here and they were here before that. No, That's quite a winery to only Smith a brother too. But the two girls have the other one, another, you didn't have those women. Don't know. I never heard of them before. Never heard of any

of these. You know? We're getting more than 10 minutes here. All right then. Let's go. Where else. What else did you have? You're going north. Well, that was the last one. That side under the old Cloverdale winery. You know where that is? An old brick building

there. I think the cast. He bought that one. Yeah. Wasn't that part of the California wine association at one time? Well, it might have been Uh huh. And then there's right across another ledger at a winery frank carter known him on time. He didn't mention mention

legislation one. No, he mentioned the Cloverdale wine company that was out on 1 28. Now I have to talk to tae sink. I talked to tae and taste it. I've forgotten. I talked to my wife and Lucille is so busy socially. It's tough to get a

hold of her. And of course there was a sink wine. Yes. And there was nothing to the linville lindahl had a winery and no belly. Mm hmm. Did you remember Karl hale? Was it carl Hell! Right back. I've been to his place. I remember the oak

tree. He only operated for a year or two after appeal. And I remember a huge oak tree and I mentioned this to Wally. I said, look, I want to talk to your father. Well, I I thought it could, it could have been a pepper would. I

thought it was an oak. Of course I was a kid. And what did I know? It was a big tree. It could have been and it was in the front of the winery and the winery, we had a gable roof was made of wood and it

had a gable roof and if I remember correctly it was painted red in front. Yeah, that was 1930 for that was almost I was But little did I realize that I have an interest 50 years later. Mhm. Do you remember Steve Rato? Yes. Yes. Well I've

been to his winery and we used to buy his wine wine and I remember that he always made wine. That was over 14% alcohol. He had Zinfandel and was always strong and he always would pick be the first one to pick. He picked very early. And

then if you didn't buy his wine before the first range, you can never get a truck up there. So you have to have to wait until April you could buy the wine early, but if you didn't draw it out you couldn't get out of there because

of the road. He's talking about 14% alcohol. Well years ago I know that at the wine and they're very settlement wine. listen, 12, 12 to 14 Now where they have 11%. Yes. Yes. nine 99%. Did you hear the hall winery Frank? Told me about the hall

winery? Well he didn't know too much about it. Well that must be with Hollis. Black kids. Well had it could have been Hollis is back Hall was a relative I think of the blacks. I'm not quite sure. And he wasn't quite sure. He wasn't quite sure

frank pauline. You provision your running still out here? On, on no. Cherry Creek. Mm hmm. Do you have any stories about? He was a brother George hold the feed man when I come into town, there was a Hollows in the feed business. No, he was a

friend of a friend of Enrico properties because that did call and you may actually Georgia then it was Dick Hall. Yes, Yes, Yes. You have to feed place. You had. No. Really? I don't think you really. Do you remember that Jenna Kenny's got to cover them

before long. Yes. So I want to get his version of his experiences and Of course it's Parducci on Old Valley. Yes, yes. And he moved out in 1927. Yes. He went to UK in 1927 and I'll get a hold of John one of these days to

talk to him. Yes. Mhm. Mhm. Did you remember any stories about prohibition? But the inspector's coming by and how the wine refused to Put rocks in the lines. And I know dad had 18,000 gallons of wine in 1918 when they went dry and he kept that

all through the Prohibition in 1932 and then it opened up. Why 18,000 gallons a made the sparkling burgundy out of them quite a bit of it. And of the day that it opened, Why we shipped three carloads who shared that picture on your pitching arm, a

freight car there. Yes, all loaded up in a bunch of fellas. Do you have the picture in your possession? I gave him two frenchy boucher up there when he opened up the place. He had him up on the wall there for quite a while then you

mind if I ask frenchy uh he only sold out now and then the fella, you got the place now papa john's, papa john's Well, I, I have lunch up there every thursday. I'll ask papa john if you got the picture. Yeah, they still got him. I

don't yes, God whether he gave it back to me or not. But yeah, we worked there for about three weeks. They had three shifts of girls Labeling that. We got a live one thing behind him. He still bottled up who was the winemaker? Who was the

men fella by name aboard navy. You remember him? You hear the daughter, his daughter was my age or something. You're either she must be pushing 70 now and she was a young girl and I was a young girl and I had met her. So she had

mentioned that and then either you or someone told me about board made coming in and he had an associate by the name of Della montagna montagna. Della montagna. Now Della montagna was supposed to have had the cresta blanca label and he put up uh Serbs and

cordials, nonalcoholic period uh cordials and Serbs during the prohibition era and then they would spike it with a bathtub jim. And I think I met him, I was visiting up here one day and I have a vague recollection. You carbonated the sparkling burgundy. Yeah, but that

was a couple of years later because I didn't move in until 1933 on december the sixth. No, in august 22nd I landed at nasty. It was on a sunday and I remember friday was very generous to me paid me 20 cents an hour, yep. And then

on the first of september the National Recovery Act. Roosevelt's Blue eagle come into effect minimum wage was two bits, so I got 30 cents an hour. And uh, so I figured that if there, I will pay 50% or if I had a 50% increase every 10

days of my life today, there won't be enough gold in Fort Knox to play me. Yeah, so that was an interesting one. What else happened with that sparkling burgundy? Remember how much you sold it for? Well We have three carloads. I think 960 cases anyway. We

chipped in Chicago, Three carloads brought in $26, Wow, that's a lot of money at that time. Of course dad could have got a dollar a gallon for the 18,000 Bootleg Bootleg. He just kept him. So he was fortunate to be able to sell it though, wasn't

he? Yeah, but it was legal though. Yeah, I know it was in effect you know there But we've got 26,003 Carlos. That's fantastic. two carloads is still one. and Carlotta. Sorry, how did you guys survive during prohibition? How do you survive? Yeah, I mean if you

weren't so well this is good as otherwise shipping the grapes to new york and getting it was a little Los Angeles boston £25 L. A. Candy was getting $56 a box. You're in L. A. County at that time it went fine for five or 67 years

for the first year we started I think dad was the first one to start shipping because my brother in laws and lambert marketing company shippers that way the first route. So he talked him into shipping few cars to new york and Chicago And it could have

bought all the groups in the valley for $30 a ton And we're just getting to $300 a ton back then. And even the following year We could have bought great for $50 and it still gives him the uh huh. The shock was short. You couldn't buy

enough shook to make boxes to find that was a great uh industry then after making those boxes after every start there's three or four companies coming after that pacific fruit company and pepper fruit company and a couple more. They all started shipping their 1927 or 28.

Why I started getting ready a cornet didn't pay the shipping and that's when they quit and from then on to prohibition wired a little tough in there. Where did you ship from? What locale? What shipping doctor you ship from? Did you bring him to Cloverdale? Or

did you start shipping carrier carrier? You had the spirit? Uh Cloverdale. And later on why I went to work with Lambert Market Company. I went and bought the grapes and hopped in and started shipping out of Hoffman too. We loaded cars there on. But I carried

with the main one for us. Tell me about her carrier. What did you know about it? What kind of a colony was it? How was it organized? It's a little bit away from the wine industry, but it's important, you know. Uh Paul, D. A. Told me

that uh Delatour. Delatour was a member of that colony. Dad works still are your clothes for quite a while in Healdsburg of the french american wine company. He worked for a little tour napa valley. But he worked for him over here because de la Tour had

the cream of tartar works in Healdsburg in 1900. Then he moved from 1900 over 22 Retherford. But in all of history, never, no one ever mentions de la torre being here. And paul dot hey says that he was part of the carrier colony. That's what paul

said and I'm trying to get a confirmation of that because de la tour had the american. He was involved in the french american wine company in the french american wine company made cream of tartar in Healdsburg. That's where dad sold him some clear tolerance a month.

Uh, but uh talking about I carry you one day I was here some woman from. Mhm Yeah. Who Illinois? Western Illinois. Yeah, everything now. Weekend in New Hanover will uh tell you all about the characters how they first came to this country. They landed in

Louisiana and they had quite a colony in texas. I think it was say that well then move up to you new goal and she was following up were some of those residents from down there moved into Pruitt builder had I carry in Korea. So that's what

you checking on that I knew uh, it was a missed the colony. They remember the tool a ruse. Yeah. Mm uh huh mm Yeah that, but look at this second. If you want to take it with you and

bring it back though back next thursday. Uh, is that okay? Now they, I've got a little box in here. It said if I wanted to get any information on this to write to him, let me know. And so I did, I'd give my address and things

and I just got a letter here About two weeks is old from Yeah. Oh well the youngest child of Armand de hey that's interesting. Married to an attorney in san Francisco genetically had no or not. I don't remember

her youngest one of the family. Oh that was very nice. So you received an acknowledgement? Mhm. I had one for one for one circle in here at the map here has chlorophyll on it too. I carry this tutorial I see here paternalism. Yeah fraternity type paternalism,

equality and liberty. Yeah humanitarians council interesting. Right in the back here that shows you how much to live longer now than he did in the early days gives you the name and the Ages and when they died there's about 15, 20 years difference now. Longevity. Uh

huh. Mhm. Very interesting indeed. Mhm. Here's the map. Humanistic values of a carry in cloverdale. Yes. Yeah I'll return this next thursday. I come to rotary. Okay and if not before I'm no hurry for it. We'll get it back. Well you'll get it back, get it

back within a week to make a special trip up here. Uh huh. Getting back to your family fred what part of France did your father come from Marcel? He was in a city. What did he do in France? Did he have any experience in growing grapes?

Not. Well he didn't work in the vineyard. You have a I think his main thing was getting the cream of tartar off a tank. He used to go from one room to another. Get inside the tanks and and you know, we used to use our thanks

here? No Henry too. And he'd go around contract. What year did he migrate to? America, 18 91? What? How did he select Cloverdale? Did he have any relatives that migrated prior to him? Well, my mother's folks, I came here first. They landed in Panama. And where

did she come from? She came from. Well, her folks came here in san Francisco and she was born in san Francisco and when she was two years old they went back to France And she got married over there with my dad and my dad and they

came back here in 1891. My brother was born in France. So your mother, your mother, I was born, she arrived prior to, She was born into in San Francisco. Morning before 19 1891. When was your mother born? No. Well if your father migrated in 1891. Yes.

So then your mother had had been born here before you've been born there. So when was she born in San Francisco? What year? Well that was must have been about 20 years, 191 of them 71 in the 1918 seventies, 18 70? Mm hmm it's the seventies

I got married. I think she was 18 and 19. My brother was a year old when you came over here. So it must be in the 1919 71 or 2? Someone, 1871 or two. How how many, how many members uh brothers and sisters did your father

have? I don't know much about my father's side. You know about his mother and dad. Brother said he didn't have any. Because I know in your mother, my mother had a few brothers. She comes from a large family. Oh no, no. So what we're trying to

do in this history, we're trying to get the background. Why are the people migrated? What drew them here? How they came? You know, to leave a land three or 7000 miles away and go into a strange Country that you don't know. The language takes a lot

of intestinal fortitude. Well they knew that behaves before they move or they knew that. So they had a contact. Dad came to behave and he worked there for $30 a month there. Of course there's no days you work 10 hours a day and daylight. Dark money

line crafting. He also worked the winery, run the distillery there for the head of the story. And that's what we want to about the age of wonder. And uh he worked there for quite a while. He had one of my sisters was born and behave house

there. How many brothers and sisters do you have fred? I had two sisters and a brother and sister, one of them still in sacramento, a couple years older than I am. The others passed away, but by the way, very hard in months. Don't work well I

know how the same trouble so don't feel bad. No, no, that's why I say yes. Incidentally when you think of something along this line, jot it down on a piece of paper, because I'm going to see a lot more of you. I'm not going to take

the time today, but we're going to talk about the days, I get a little information from you a little from someone else and we'll kind of put it all together. Then I want to do a little, see there's nothing, there's no place that I can go

to read on this stuff and that's what I'm trying to do. How did you say my sister was born in uh the house and somewhere that my folks moved to san Francisco and other sisters born in san Francisco and I was born in san Francisco. And

what year was that? I was born 97 97 97. So you're ready for you in good shape, good shape. A couple of Artificial Hips. Well, at least metal hips. A four operational now. And also in 1897. Mhm. When was stanford governor of the state? Uh I

don't have to look that up. God worked in the stanford winery there when, when, when the stanford governor now wake up veena up in stanford had a big holding, he had 5000 acres of land in northern California at vina del Yeah above Marysville. They called it

Vienna. Is that where your dad works? So he works at stanford winery down in Menlo park. Oh stanford had a winery at Menlo Park. Well, Because I think that he also had a holdings at mission San Jose. Where Waibel, it currently has his winery. I think

that was part of Stanford's property. But Stanford's big holdings according to history, he had 5000 acres uh in Northern. Well yes, even perhaps in California. Yes. And he made a lot of brandy up there. That's what history tells us. But your dad spent time at uh

the stanford winery uh Palo Alto Menlo Park. When did he move to Sonoma County? The 2nd time. When did he open up the winery, 1900 and wins starting wander here and build that one, 1900. What was the maximum capacity of the winery? Well he started a

You have nine times 9 About 60 70,000 gallons. And then we expanded their, when the last of about 100 and 30,000. Remember that? I can tell you that I leased it from Jack Sander for two years before alexander. Yeah. Marine beverage. That is right. It went

from you, you sold to marine beverage? Jack sander. Then he sold to Inman and uh two guys. And then yeah then Ferrari brought the tanks and then the fire come along. There's something like that. Uh Oh yes, tell me about the de marco Antonio. What do

you know about that first? Let's get right alongside Mark and Tony one. When did that start? Atmosphere stars in 1911. And we sold out. That's so low. So uh mark and Tony think of 1911. And it was after that. He built the winery there. How did

he operate for very long? That was a relatively small winery, wasn't it? Probably 30, How long did he operate? I couldn't say you operate up to prohibition, would you say? I know after he didn't operate during prohibition and after prohibition. I think dad released that wine

from Mark and Tony and Runners. For When did you sell out the sand, Xander in the 46, 25, earlier than 1844, during the war, the Second World War Uh, worked for Xander actually sold out a few years. So I remember that. I remember Dad and I

used to sell a little wine. Jack Sanders. We had our own labels to Do you ever see him? Do you have any copies of the labels? Yeah, I have a vague recollection because I was up in the winery once or twice. I remember the bottling line

and then I I'm just trying to Uh huh. I'm surprised that you didn't hear how take it and I'll promise you, I'll return it. Yes. Uh Yeah, sure. Put it all together. I I'm trying to get the recollection of this Della Montagna business. And I, as

I said, I met board name and I was wondering how I done that. And I'm trying to go back 45 years and it's a little difficult for me. We need to All right. Uh, two.